re: Muslims, Islamists, Jihadists, Terrorists

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Nobody here seems very interested in asking why there has been a turn towards fundamentalism in the last half-century

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Because Pan-Arabism failed. The only other thing to unite the violent cultures of Northern Africa and the Middle East is Islam, which was a last resort because the leaders of the Arab countries knew it could turn on them, like it did in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and Syria.

Bottom line: it's about power.

Salafi/Wahabi jihadism is Pan-Arabism. It is what separates the Muslim Brotherhood, which is pan-Islamic, from these groups.

And everything failed in the Arab world. Nationalism, socialism, communism and democracy of an illiberal variety. For various reasons.

What do all four groups have in common?

(Hint, see #1)

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Salafi/Wahabi jihadism is Pan-Arabism.

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Salafi/Wahabi jihadism is Pan-Arabism.

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No doubt that Islamic sympathies and tools (calling war "jihad") were used to attempt Pan-Arabism, but the Arab leaders from 1950-present did not want religion to dominate their cooperation or internal politics.

Am I wrong? It's the most immediate expression since the 60s, and while it pretends to be supra national, ISIS is dominated by Arabs, especially those from the KSA who get preferential treatment (relatively).

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Muslims, Islamists, Jihadists, Terrorists
ok i may need to make/bump this thread every time a major attack happens and all the "WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT ALL MUSLIMS" shite starts up. this is a handy guide on how to use basic words to describe different groups within the Muslim community

here is a very brief description of the 4 groups

1. Muslims - these are people who believe in the tenets of Islam. there are more than 1B on earth

2. Islamists - a subgroup of Muslims who believe that Islam should merge with state power to regulate societies

3. Jihadists - a subgroup of Islamists who believe in using force/coercion to install an Islamic state

4. Terrorists - a subgroup of Islamists who use terror attacks on civilians and non-combatants to further Jihadism






Why the outrage over these POS, yet nothing of your own government that continues to create, fund, and train them to cause chaos while the establishment conducts regime change in the ME to make their next fortune and save a dollar system that otherwise has zero value?

I'll hang up and listen.

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Still waiting...

Not sure why the 50% downvotes. Did I miss something?

Some Nazis who wanted to kill all the Jews and anyone not in their select

Some Nazis just wanted to force all non select people out of the country

Some Nazis just wanted policies that favored their select groups

Some Nazis just thought national socialism was better economically for their country

Some members of the KKK actively participated in lynchings and other violence towards blacks

Some members of the KKK just wanted blacks removed from the country

Some members of the KKK just thought white people were better than black people and wanted separate but equal

Some members of the KKK just thought white people were better than black people and really didn't give a frick about separate but equal they just wanted separate

Every last person in one of the above groups was a person deserving of shunning and shame and derision

So forgive me I don't give a frick if the Muslim down the road from me doesn't want to kill me. Well wanting to kill me is certainly the worst of the things it's not the only problem

What responsibility do groups 1 and 2 have for reigning is the bullshite of groups 3 and 4? Cause I'm done with the left blaming people like me for the way they behave.