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re: Muslims, Islamists, Jihadists, Terrorists
Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:00 pm to biglego
Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:00 pm to biglego
even if the Crusades were a response and were in provocation from Muslims, how does murdering others reflect the love of Christ, after all, isn't that what Christianity is all about? not about seeking revenge to right the wrongs imposed by others... hell, even Christ while still on the cross asked for forgiveness for the very people putting him to death... he didn't tell his followers to seek revenge... so how can the whole "it was a response" forgive the shite that was done, in any way shape or form?
history can't be rewritten to fit how you'd like it to... there was some terrible shite done in the name of the God of the Bible, whether you agree with them or not... you can't sit here and condemn the stuff going with radical Islam today, while having the historical fact of the Crusades' skeletons in the closet... you can't have it both ways.... either you condemn ALL killing in the name of ANY God, or you just admit you are biased because you happen to fall under the banner of one of the Gods people were murdering others in the name of...
history can't be rewritten to fit how you'd like it to... there was some terrible shite done in the name of the God of the Bible, whether you agree with them or not... you can't sit here and condemn the stuff going with radical Islam today, while having the historical fact of the Crusades' skeletons in the closet... you can't have it both ways.... either you condemn ALL killing in the name of ANY God, or you just admit you are biased because you happen to fall under the banner of one of the Gods people were murdering others in the name of...
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:02 pm to chRxis
Your whataboutism is beginning to get old.
People are angry at Islamic terrorism of today and you are bringing up the crusades like it fricking matters in the present. It's ridiculous.
People are angry at Islamic terrorism of today and you are bringing up the crusades like it fricking matters in the present. It's ridiculous.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:12 pm to BeeFense5
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People are angry at Islamic terrorism of today
so am i...
but if we fail to recognize history, we are doomed to repeat it....
This post was edited on 6/4/17 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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or how many Christians ignore similar parts of their bible
People seem to not understand that the Bible speaks to Christians from the New Testament. The Old Testament speaks to and addresses the history of the Jews.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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1. Muslims - these are people who believe in the tenets of Islam. there are more than 1B on earth
The above think those below are doing Allah's work. And once completed, peace will reign on Earth
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3. Jihadists - a subgroup of Islamists who believe in using force/coercion to install an Islamic state
4. Terrorists - a subgroup of Islamists who use terror attacks on civilians and non-combatants to further Jihadism
So they are also the problem
Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
A radical Muslim is one that denounces Sharia Law.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:23 pm to chRxis
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even if the Crusades were a response and were in provocation from Muslims, how does murdering others reflect the love of Christ, after all, isn't that what Christianity is all about?
I personally would not argue that the Crusades were a proper response to the Muslim invasions. I would argue that the Crusades had more to do with political power and land grabbing, as well as retribution. However, if you want to say that Christians were wrong 500 years ago? Ok.
How would you address what is happening today in our world by the Muslims? Liberals, and some conservatives rail against a Christian for trying to sway our laws and morals on today's societies, yet will defend the Muslims when they use bombs and beheadings to do the same thing.
And does the left point out it isn't all Christians? No. It's pretty much "Christians.......!"
Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:47 pm to League Champs
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The above think those below are doing Allah's work. And once completed, peace will reign on Earth
So you think that Muslims think its gods will for them to be killed by Jihadist.Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:57 pm to VerlanderBEAST
90% of victims of terrorism are Muslims
Posted on 6/4/17 at 5:00 pm to Ghazi
Ghazi sighting!!
Jerk it, boy.
Jerk it, boy.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 5:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Muslims, Islamists, Jihadists, Terrorists
You should bump this thread for the past and present actions of such slave owning and civil/human rights violating Christians as the "US founders", US politicians, the KKK, Catholics, etc. Is that not terrorism? US has been committing mass terrorism forever in the name of "national security and interests". Look in the mirror, hypocrites. God is judging you, too.
Who's innocent?
Posted on 6/4/17 at 5:45 pm to chRxis
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ven if the Crusades were a response and were in provocation from Muslims, how does murdering others reflect the love of Christ,
Murdering in the name of Christ is not Christian dogma. It isn't justified today. There aren't armies or even groups of Christians out there killing Muslims in the name of Christ. Christianity does not have "holy war" as a tenet, unlike Islam which liberals refuse to acknowledge. The concept of holy war in Christianity had to be developed. The Crusade had to be preached as a sort of armed pilgrimage.
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you can't sit here and condemn the stuff going with radical Islam today, while having the historical fact of the Crusades' skeletons in the closet.
I don't know what you want me to do about an armed conflict from 1000 years ago. Here, some guilt ridden idiots, liberals no doubt, have already apologized.
LINK
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either you condemn ALL killing in the name of ANY God, or you just admit you are biased because you happen to fall under the banner of one of the Gods people were murdering others in the name of
Ok, I condemn all violence in the name of religion. Except only one religion is actively doing this shite. I don't know why this is complicated.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 5:52 pm to chRxis
Jesus said to be good to those who dispitefully use you. That would have to include all comers.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 6:04 pm to tigercreole
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Who's innocent?
No one is innocent, but only one particular group is routinely massacring in the name of it's religion.
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slave owning and civil/human rights violating Christians as the "US founders", US politicians, the KKK, Catholics, etc. Is that not terrorism?
I don't know if slavery would be defined as terrorism. It was certainly wrong. And is gone--in the western world at least. Liberals will gleefully condemn historical wrongs committed by Christians/westerners but can't even admit that current savagery is existent in Islam.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 6:13 pm to DawgsLife
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I personally would not argue that the Crusades were a proper response to the Muslim invasions.
honestly, i think you are the first to at least acknowledge that it wasn't quite the right way to handle it... and i really do mean thank you... your honesty is refreshing...
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However, if you want to say that Christians were wrong 500 years ago? Ok.
5 years, 50 years, 500 years, don't matter... i understand we live in the here and now, but dismissing it as "well, it don't count because it was so long ago", doesn't make the fact that it occurred go away... i'm not railing against Christianity, i'm more at odds with man made organized religion in total.... ALL religions, so don't think i'm just picking on Christianity, and please try to read my posts with that in mind....
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How would you address what is happening today in our world by the Muslims?
use moderates to drown out the radicals... that takes encouragement, empowerment, and if necessary, entrustment... i think i've made my idea for the situation pretty clear among my posts... feel free to view them in my post history...
quote:i literally don't see anyone defending terrorism... i do see, and i actively participate, in defending having good and decent muslims lumped in together with these radical muslims... that's not right, and that narrative needs to stop....
yet will defend the Muslims when they use bombs and beheadings to do the same thing.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 6:15 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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Jesus said to be good to those who dispitefully use you. That would have to include all comers.
i'm not sure i follow what you are saying.... a simple yes or no would suffice, honestly...
Posted on 6/4/17 at 6:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
Anyone that deflects from the scourge of the earth that's called islam through whataboutisms of christianity, the crusades, #NotAllMuslims, and tolerance bullshite is a legit cuckold and a sad and weak excuse of a human being that's not fit to be a steward of western civilization.
This post was edited on 6/4/17 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 6/4/17 at 6:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Religion of Peace.
Islam the word translates into something like "submission" (to Allah/Islam implied).
To Islam that submission, even if by force, is how they understand "peace" - it is not the absence of war, it is the submission that is peace.
Islam has an entirely different world view. They are NOT Episcopalians wearing robes and sheets and burkas.
Islam the word translates into something like "submission" (to Allah/Islam implied).
To Islam that submission, even if by force, is how they understand "peace" - it is not the absence of war, it is the submission that is peace.
Islam has an entirely different world view. They are NOT Episcopalians wearing robes and sheets and burkas.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 6:31 pm to Iosh
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All the idiots begging for a Crusade like invading Muslim countries and setting up puppet states isn't something we've already tried
Extremely high quality, thought provoking posts. Have another downvote.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 6:32 pm to chRxis
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honestly, i think you are the first to at least acknowledge that it wasn't quite the right way to handle it
I don't know if the Crusades were "the right way to handle it" or not. We're judging a conflict from 900 years ago, a conflict in which different parties had different motives. If you don't think the Crusades were a proper response, then what do you think should have been the response of Western Europe?
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years, 50 years, 500 years, don't matter... i understand we live in the here and now, but dismissing it as "well, it don't count because it was so long ago", doesn't make the fact that it occurred go away..
It occurred, no one is arguing. Your point gets lost by the fact that Christians are no longer going on Crusade, but Muslims are indeed on jihad. Thays why you sound like you're bashing Christianity. You are making a false equivalency. Christianity has apparently changed, otherwise you wouldn't have to dig 900 years ago. Islam has not changed. That's why people like me groan when the Crusades are brought up in the context of modern Muslim terrorism.
This post was edited on 6/4/17 at 6:33 pm
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