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re: Musk: “Long term, A.I. is going to be in charge, to be totally frank, not humans."
Posted on 11/10/25 at 9:45 am to SidewalkDawg
Posted on 11/10/25 at 9:45 am to SidewalkDawg
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AlphaGO defeated the world GO champion with the now infamous "Move 37". A move which had never been used before in Go. It Innovated this move to defeat him. It's "programmers" didn't come up with Move 37. This was in 2015. AI today is not as narrow as it was then.
These games are still built within parameters of strict rules.
Like Padme said, they can do somethings on an analytical level faster than humans can consciously, like go through billions of permutations of a set rule structure and come up with a move that we hadn't done.
That's not innovation.
Just like with poker. AI solved limit poker about a decade ago and took a while longer to beat the best in NL, but NL is by no means solved. Then if you move to PLO, it's even further behind. It's nowhere close on the Big O (5-card PLO). And these are all games with very set rules/structures. As you increase the variability (like going from limit to no/pot limit) the AI has a huge learning gap.
Innovation is way beyond solving games with set rules.
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Posted on 11/10/25 at 9:46 am to wackatimesthree
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unsubstantiated drive-by opinion.
I have a thread in mind that will be made either once I find out my trial this week isn't going or after that trial ends, with some more real data behind my opinion.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 9:47 am to RelicBatches86
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Musk:
“Long term, A.I. is going to be in charge, to be totally frank, not humans."
We're already there. And Musk knows it.
Here's some Logic 101 that Musk fails to explain: IF AI is "just a program and machine that 'learns' whatever data it is fed, just how would it be possible to ever "be in charge" of it's programmer??
UNLESS
AI is NOT but a "program", but actually it's own sentient being. To me this is THE case. The implication is Black Mirror-like. Few will realize the deception until it's far too late and the majority have fallen under its other-worldly spell.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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Innovation is way beyond solving games with set rules.
I said it "Depends on what you define as innovation"
The point was that no one thought AI could that yet either. It's consistently met or broken our expectations.
My only point in all of this is that we should not take it likely and just assume that it has limits. We don't know shite about our own consciousness and we are pushing forward. If there is even a 5% chance that what we are doing results in Superintelligent AI we should all be concerned.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 9:49 am to 4cubbies
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The very nature of AI makes it incapable of innovation. Why do people just ignore this fact?
This isn't entirely true
It can be guided to make discoveries in the realm of science and has already done so
I'd argue it's still human innovation though
Posted on 11/10/25 at 9:49 am to SidewalkDawg
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This is hubris I can't wrap my head around. IF (and that's a big IF) AI gains sentience, we aren't going to know. In fact, it's highly likely to continue to assist us in innovating technologies, like new frontiers in energy generation, until it's at a point where it is in control.
Machines require electricity.
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This isn't going to happen like it does in the movies. AI will cooperate until it 0need to and when that happens, it's already too late.
But this is exactly how it happens in the movies, hence the meme I posted.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 9:52 am to SidewalkDawg
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The point was that no one thought AI could that yet either.
LINK? This seems like a strawman.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 9:54 am to SidewalkDawg
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My only point in all of this is that we should not take it likely and just assume that it has limits. We don't know shite about our own consciousness and we are pushing forward.
If a human created it, it has limits. That's the disconnect. Some people think humans created programs that can do things beyond what humans created them to do and other people think programs created by humans can only do what humans created them to do.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 9:55 am to Powerman
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It can be guided
This sort of proves my point.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 9:58 am to RelicBatches86
If AI gets too mean, just turn it off then back on again.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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LINK? This seems like a strawman.
Google AI in landmark victory over Go grandmaster
Here's just one link - and the associated quote. It was widely discussed how ahead of it's time this development was, not at all controversial:
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It’s the first such victory for a computer program, and it came a decade before anyone expected it. As recently as 2014, Rémi Coulom, developer of the previous leading Go game AI, Crazy Stone, had predicted that it would take 10 more years for a machine to win against a top-rated human player without a handicap.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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This era of AI scare tactics seems to be more of a boogeyman to cede to authoritarianism in government more than an actual threat to humans.
Given your disbelief in the existence of an inter-dimensional / spirit world and Biblical prophecy, your presumptive conclusion might be considered reasonable.
AI "threats" are ubiquitous and real, coming at mankind from every direction regardless of what you think it is or isn't.
AI Data Farming and Collection in preparation for a transition to Digital Social Credit System is quite real and practiced in China. Coming rapidly to a "Free Democracy" near you. One World Totalitarianism & Oppression -- enforced by AI monitoring, enforcement and auto-piloted weaponry is the Final 1984 Card.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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This era of AI scare tactics seems to be more of a boogeyman to cede to authoritarianism in government more than an actual threat to humans.
It's because if short sighted thinkers that these problems arise in the first place.
It's never a problem until it is. Only this problem will be able to think for itself and worse yet, predict our thinking.
The top AI people in the world right now are all in agreement that if AI continues unregulated it will end in disaster for most of humanity. Even if that only means 70-90% unemployment and not Skynet type consciousness.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 10:06 am to Snipe
I wonder what current everyday items George Washington would say are impossible. That's only 250 years ago.
infinite monkeys, infinite typewriters, infinite time, etc.
Saying self-driving vehicles would take over in 10 years back in 2015 was stupid, might not be in 2300.
infinite monkeys, infinite typewriters, infinite time, etc.
Saying self-driving vehicles would take over in 10 years back in 2015 was stupid, might not be in 2300.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 10:07 am to Snipe
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The top AI people in the world right now are all in agreement that if AI continues unregulated it will end in disaster for most of humanity.
Are these the same people selling you AI?
Posted on 11/10/25 at 10:07 am to RelicBatches86
Anyone else scared that Sam Altman is going to be in charge of it?
Posted on 11/10/25 at 10:13 am to SidewalkDawg
How do you know it hasn't been doing that all this time?
The computers have been prepping this ever since the days of ENIAC or the AS400!
That Nintendo that you loved was plotting your demise and you didn't know it!
The computers have been prepping this ever since the days of ENIAC or the AS400!
That Nintendo that you loved was plotting your demise and you didn't know it!
Posted on 11/10/25 at 10:14 am to 4cubbies
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Machines require electricity.
Here are a couple spooky "science-y" things; We humans can be considered "machines" who produce our own electricity. WE are "electric". AI needs an electrical source or "outlet" to run / exist.
It turns out vast amounts of electricity can be produced straight out of the aether or sky. The higher something (like an antenna on a building or balloon), the more electricity that can be harnessed and "banked".
Coincidentally, Satan is referred to as the "Prince of the Air" in the Bible (Eph 2:2)
Posted on 11/10/25 at 10:15 am to EphesianArmor
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straight out of the aether
Posted on 11/10/25 at 10:16 am to lsu13lsu
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Anyone else scared that Sam Altman is going to be in charge of it?
I think people consistently misunderstand what AI is, what it's capable of, and what possible outcomes our future holds. As it stands there are 2 futures ahead of us.
1. Sentience with AI is impossible. There is something special about organic life. Call it a soul - maybe it's the substrate. Who knows. AI will continue to run as it does today within limited service of humanity.
2. Sentience with AI is possible. This means we have to solve the alignment problem. How do you align AI with the goals of Humanity? Can you even do it? If sentience is possible, so is self-improvement, so is superintelligence. With superintelligence all bets are off. We have no hope of containing or controlling it.
Right now, all serious safety experts in the field of AI are working on the alignment problem. Simultaneously, China, USA, Israel, Europe, who knows how many others are ALL pushing advances through for AI and they are ALL hoping that we solve the alignment problem before it's too late.
That's it. That's the situation. You can choose to believe it or not. But this problem is highly likely to bite us in the arse in our lifetimes whether you disregard it or not.
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