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re: MTG Goes to war…. In support of Obamacare
Posted on 10/7/25 at 1:40 pm to Auburn80
Posted on 10/7/25 at 1:40 pm to Auburn80
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There is no good way to fix it. Healthcare is expensive and every system has pros and cons. The free market just doesn’t work in healthcare and there are issues with National Healthcare also. There is no “fix”. Pick your poison.
A lot of folks saying you're wrong but not explaining why. You're right.
Some aspects of Healthcare are simply not compatible with the free market. Primary care, blood tests - absolutely you can shop around.
Serious, time sensitive emergencies like strokes & trauma surgery - nope. The physician on call has an effective monopoly due to the fact that you'll be dead if you drive to the other hospital 15 minutes down the road. That's not at all how the free market works.
Perhaps the solution is shifting the routine care stuff off of insurance & onto an a la carte model. But then you run into the problem of people ignoring health issues/saving money until it grows into a more acute & costly problem. There's an argument that preventative care saves money up front.
I don't have the answers, but I want to add some context & nuance because this is an extremely complex topic
This post was edited on 10/7/25 at 1:41 pm
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Posted on 10/7/25 at 2:22 pm to LSUnation78
No one, not even MTG, wants to admit this but the best sure-fire way to get healthcare premiums is to get government out of the insurance business altogether. Their mandates, requirements and restrictions on health insurance do more to drive up costs than anything.
Forcing companies to accept "pre-existing conditions" means it isn't insurance - it's private company funded welfare.
Forcing companies to accept "pre-existing conditions" means it isn't insurance - it's private company funded welfare.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 3:29 pm to HubbaBubba
Give the blacks jobs and opportunities and the crime would go down.
Stop expecting blacks to just exist.
Stop expecting blacks to just exist.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 3:30 pm to LSUnation78
She aint saying dif from POTUS Trump.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 3:33 pm to LSUnation78
how does this at all indicate she is for obamacare? she called it bullshite
Posted on 10/7/25 at 3:49 pm to wareagle7298
No they won’t.
The biggest medical scam in our country just came into fruition and it has the Democrat’s name all over it
Why is health care so expensive? It’s 100% caused by the democrats for their money laundering scheme and allowing 20 million illegals onto the system.
The biggest medical scam in our country just came into fruition and it has the Democrat’s name all over it
Why is health care so expensive? It’s 100% caused by the democrats for their money laundering scheme and allowing 20 million illegals onto the system.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 5:54 pm to Pezzo
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how does this at all indicate she is for obamacare? she called it bullshite
It doesn't.
They only read the headline. Including the OP.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 5:56 pm to Bigdawgb
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The physician on call has an effective monopoly due to the fact that you'll be dead if you drive to the other hospital 15 minutes down the road. That's not at all how the free market works.
Find an insurance plan that doesn’t cover emergent situations as in network when choosing providers. Report back. If you don’t know what this means, stop talking about it as if you do.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 5:57 pm to Bigdawgb
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But then you run into the problem of people ignoring health issues/saving money until it grows into a more acute & costly problem.
People do that anyway.
Fortunately, the fix for that is simple.
Require minimum of two primary care visits every year to remain eligible for the taxpayer funded catastrophic insurance plan. Even of those visits are nothing more than routine labs and comprehensive systems evaluation and exam.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 6:01 pm to the808bass
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Find an insurance plan that doesn’t cover emergent situations as in network when choosing providers.
That's not what he's talking about. He's talking about free market = cash pay.
And he's right in that when someone receives a service, someone else provides the service, and a third party that is neither the first or second party pays for the service, the free market has already seriously been interfered with and prices are guaranteed to become artificially inflated. So is utilization.
The "health insurance" model guarantees this.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 6:04 pm to wackatimesthree
He was talking about the inability to shop in an emergent situation. Insurance actually makes that better than it would be otherwise.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 6:06 pm to Timeoday
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Health insurance is nothing but a loan. You make payments to an account, as in a pre-paid "build your credit" debit card, except this account is pooled with others. For the rest of your life, like taxes, you just keep on paying. Meanwhile, they are laughing it up in DC at the ignorance of the people they serve!!
Pretty much all insurance works that way whether it is car insurance, health insurance or an errors and omissions policy.
This post was edited on 10/7/25 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 10/7/25 at 6:08 pm to the808bass
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He was talking about the inability to shop in an emergent situation.
Maybe, but if he wasn't equating free market with cash, he's confused.
He was saying that "free market" was not compatible with an emergent medical situation because an emergent medical situation makes it impossible to shop around.
Health insurance is not free market. It's the opposite of free market. Whether it's true that it's even better than free market in an emergent medical situation or not (I agree that it is, for the reason you cited), it's not free market.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 6:12 pm to wackatimesthree
Sure.
But we don’t really have health insurance now.
We can’t.
No dollar limits.
No pre-existing conditions.
And too many people aren’t paying even their own premiums to call it really insurance.
But we don’t really have health insurance now.
We can’t.
No dollar limits.
No pre-existing conditions.
And too many people aren’t paying even their own premiums to call it really insurance.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 6:32 pm to Tarps99
Yes, but car, life, and homeowners do not have 4500 different coverages for certain particulars. I believe way too much money has entered the health market which forced out an individuals ability to pay for the simple procedures.
I only had catastrophic for the longest time and watched the simple procedure cost go through the roof which forced a different plan and cost profile.
Crazy World.
I only had catastrophic for the longest time and watched the simple procedure cost go through the roof which forced a different plan and cost profile.
Crazy World.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 8:00 pm to wackatimesthree
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Find an insurance plan that doesn’t cover emergent situations as in network when choosing providers. Report back. If you don’t know what this means, stop talking about it as if you do.
808bass you just had to be a patronizing dingaling didn't you??
What you're describing didn't arise from the free market, but from people getting boned & complaining until Congress eventually passed the 2022 No Surprises Act.
Before that it was estimated that 15-20% of EC visits would pop you with balance billing from an out of network provider. That's a huge reason why medical debt is viewed so differently from other types of debt & sells for pennies on the dollar. I know because my first job was medical collections & dealing with insurance companies.
And yes, what I'm saying is that Emergency Healthcare as a good/service is not going to work within the standard economic framework. There's no legislation that will give you an extra 30 minutes to get your stroke seen about. That's just the way life is and we have to work around it the best we can.
This post was edited on 10/7/25 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 10/7/25 at 8:06 pm to Auburn80
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Are you okay with people not getting any healthcare because they are poor
Why wouldn’t doctors treat poor people?
The government is just providing coverage. Not the actual healthcare.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 8:36 pm to Auburn80
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Are you okay with people not getting any healthcare because they are poor? This includes kids. Or should there be government programs for that like there are for food.
I am not afraid to say that I’m ok with that. Not my kids. Parents had every opportunity to play the game the rest of us play in order to have jobs with enough income to survive.
No pay- tough sh. Not my problem.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 9:06 pm to TFH
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Maybe she should spend her energy drafting a bill that would fix health insurance
Republicans waited 3-4 years to have a majority and an opportunity to repeal Obama Care and when they had a chance they didn't have a plan and McStain gave the repeal of Obama Care a thumbs down.
This ^^^ is proof 90% of DC Uniparty Republicans are indeed recucklicans
Posted on 10/7/25 at 9:43 pm to LSUnation78
Shes retarded
Ask her to do the same for
Car ins
Homeowners ins
Flood ins
Why stop at health ins?
Ask her to do the same for
Car ins
Homeowners ins
Flood ins
Why stop at health ins?
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