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re: Millions of North Koreans Starve While We Talk Weapons
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:22 am to RFK
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:22 am to RFK
We are not inflicted pain. We are not partly to blame. We are simply observing the most horrific Totalitarian State that exists, and formulating a plan to protect ourselves against it .
Moral relativism like yours is a cheap appeal to emotion. If you care about the North Korean people you will support efforts to undermine their criminal Family dynasty. America is the only HOPE that exists for the North Korean people.
Moral relativism like yours is a cheap appeal to emotion. If you care about the North Korean people you will support efforts to undermine their criminal Family dynasty. America is the only HOPE that exists for the North Korean people.
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:22 am to RFK
When Kim closes the concentration / labor camps I’ll trust he cares about feeding his people
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:22 am to RFK
From the Oped.
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As these stories show — and as I have seen during my 16 visits to North Korea in the past decade — hunger remains a way of life there. Forty-one percent of North Koreans, about 10.5 million people, are undernourished, and 28 percent of children under 5 years old have stunted growth. When my 4-year-old daughter visited Pyongyang in 2013, she, all of three feet, towered over children twice her age. The hunger is devastating. And it’s our fault.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:27 am to RFK
We sent and money to them at the height of their famine and the people still starved because the NK government stole everything. Short of airlifting it there and dropping it, there isn't much we can do. We cant airlift it without being shot at, and the logistics to feed 20 million people by that method is near impossible. I don't favor lifting the sanctions to feed them, just to have their damn government nuke us.
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 10:28 am
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:31 am to RFK
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But in the process, we are also punishing the most vulnerable citizens and shackling the ability of humanitarian agencies to render aid.
We aren't punishing anyone. Their socialist dickbag government is, by being socialist dickbags.
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And we are partly to blame.
We are not partly to blame. Their socialist dickbag government is, because they are socialist dickbags.
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There is disagreement that sanctions are even effective. Since 2006, the UN Security Council has passed 8 sanctions. But it is estimated that 49 nations are in violation because the UNSC has no enforcement mechanisms.
Yet more proof that the trillions of dollars we spend propping up the United Nations would be better spent as fire wood for burn barrels outside of homeless shelters. Get out of the UN, and get the UN out of the United States. Let them jerk each other off on someone else's soil, with someone else's money.
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Once again, the innocent are paying the price while talk weapons.
Once again, the NK government has plenty of money to develop and test nuclear weapons, but their people are starving. We could send billions of taxpayer dollars to NK in the name of feeding their people, and their people will still starve, while their government continues to develop and proliferate nuclear weapons.
They are socialist dickbags. This will always be the case, until the people revolt, and the socialist dickbag government collapses. The more money we send, the longer the socialist dickbags will be able to starve their people while they develop and proliferate nuclear weapons.
If you want to feel better about yourself, pick up an ugly woman at a bar, take her home, and have your way with her. It will do just as much good as sending billions of taxpayer dollars to NK, in the name of feeding the NK people.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:31 am to Lsupimp
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If you care about the North Korean people you will support efforts to undermine their criminal Family dynasty.
and unfortunately removing that cancer does produce negative side effects, but it still must be done
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:34 am to RFK
If starvation isn't motivation for revolution, what is?!
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:46 am to RFK
Here is yet another situation of authoritarian control destroying the lives of millions of people who can't really do anything about it.
And you progressives want to give more and more control to an ever growing federal government, with more and more power over every aspect of our lives.
And you progressives want to give more and more control to an ever growing federal government, with more and more power over every aspect of our lives.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:49 am to RFK
Forcibly removing the Kim regime would potentially kill millions, too.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:51 am to RFK
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Just food for thought.
North Koreans don’t even have food for thought.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:51 am to SoulGlo
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:53 am to RFK
North Korea is in a terrible state all around.
The people in power are so entrenched and have decimated their population that any revolt would be short lived.
The people are so blocked off from media that they have little to no understanding of the outside world.
OTOH, the people who are in charge are war mongering dipshits who have made it impossible for us to do anything but continue to punish them more and more severely. They still haven't figured out that getting bigger weapons doesn't scare the US.
OTOH, South Korea probably isn't keen on a unified Korea because NK is terribly impoverished and low-skilled that it would almost assuredly create a decades-long welfare caste while they tried to get those people into the 21st century.
Also, I'm not sold that China is super keen on having South Korea as a border-neighbor (though I don't think they see NK as a "better" alternative).
North Korea is the biggest mess in the world right now. You should almost put a "stan" at the end of the name to associate it with the rest of the hot messes of the globe.
North Koreastan
The people in power are so entrenched and have decimated their population that any revolt would be short lived.
The people are so blocked off from media that they have little to no understanding of the outside world.
OTOH, the people who are in charge are war mongering dipshits who have made it impossible for us to do anything but continue to punish them more and more severely. They still haven't figured out that getting bigger weapons doesn't scare the US.
OTOH, South Korea probably isn't keen on a unified Korea because NK is terribly impoverished and low-skilled that it would almost assuredly create a decades-long welfare caste while they tried to get those people into the 21st century.
Also, I'm not sold that China is super keen on having South Korea as a border-neighbor (though I don't think they see NK as a "better" alternative).
North Korea is the biggest mess in the world right now. You should almost put a "stan" at the end of the name to associate it with the rest of the hot messes of the globe.
North Koreastan
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:53 am to RFK
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The hunger is devastating. And we are partly to blame.
bullshite. Kim is to blame. Entirely. He has no concern whatsoever for anybody else's well being. He's a sick frick who murders and tortures entire families for the most mundane reasons. His psychotic war propaganda and erratic behaviors while pursuing the world's most destructive weapons imaginable force us to resist his attainment of these weapons. Kim could make some basic concessions and food and aid would pour into North Korea from all over the world. He's more interested in portraying the United States as a grave enemy though so he can maintain his stranglehold on power.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:01 am to RFK
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Millions of North Koreans Starve While We Talk Weapons
I think you should go to Sam's or Costco, buy them a truckload of food and deliver it to them personally if you feel so responsible.
Oh and good luck getting back.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:04 am to RFK
I actually have little sympathy for people who fail to rise up against tyranny by their own government. Expecting outsiders to do it for you leaves a large credibility gap in your argument.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:06 am to RFK
The hunger is a direct result of a Centrally controlled economy.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:06 am to Lsupimp
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e are not inflicted pain. We are not partly to blame. We are simply observing the most horrific Totalitarian State that exists, and formulating a plan to protect ourselves against it .
I agree. We really aren't to blame. Our sanctions are what they are.
But, that's why I started another thread.
I do think there's some uncomfortable discussion to be had.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:07 am to RFK
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And we are partly to blame.
Are you out of your fricking mind?
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:07 am to Homesick Tiger
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I actually have little sympathy for people who fail to rise up against tyranny by their own government. Expecting outsiders to do it for you leaves a large credibility gap in your argument.
Meh. If it were that easy, all the governments of the world would be perfect.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:10 am to RFK
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And we are partly to blame.
No, we aren't. At all. Their little fat dictator is 100% to blame.
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