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re: Mearsheimer - Death and Destruction In Gaza.

Posted on 12/15/23 at 5:53 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299267 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 5:53 am to

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They won't do simple step of cutting ties with Hamas


Because simps everywhere are telling them they have support.

I don't see these fat, pasty Palestinian supporters offering anything but hope and prayers. They're pussies who sit on the sidelines.
Posted by jbdawgs03
Athens
Member since Oct 2017
13848 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 5:55 am to
Wouldn’t ya know it.. an anti Trump guy spreading Hamas propaganda. Hahahaha perfect.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
23919 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 6:24 am to
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The Israelis actively repress the Christian population in the region. They treat anyone who’s not them poorly.


So they are just like democrats. Got it
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
143793 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 6:30 am to
Israeli’s do treat Christian’s poorly.

I had an elderly Israeli Christian couple that lived down the street. Their daughter came to the states and after visiting her here they decided it was better for them to live in the states.


They were happier and the old Jew neighbors were happier. It’s almost as if uniformity is more of a strength than diversity.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
23919 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 6:35 am to
Now do Muslims.

How do other religions get treated by Muslim countries? Treating another religion poorly isn’t exclusive to Israel
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63640 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 6:38 am to
My good, you people.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55479 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:01 am to
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Mearsheimer

He is full of shite. He quotes a bunch of Pro-Palestinians saying, “Israel is bad.” Those are not creditable.

A lot of innocent Palestinians are surely suffering, but this is what Israel has to do because those yo-yos could not do it themselves through the democratic process. But Israel is not targeting civilians. That is complete bullshite.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 7:02 am
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55479 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:11 am to
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That specific episode, and the high casualty rate, was probably friendly fire. The Apache pilots reported trouble identifying friend or foe.

Oh, so the dead Israelis were mostly killed by Israelis and not the people who paraglided in to massacre them?

This supports the idea of a new tactic. The Palestinians could paraglide in to Israeli festivals then split and watch the Israeli armed forces kill thousands of their own people. From the Palestinian perspective this would be safe and effective.
Posted by Old Money
LSU
Member since Sep 2012
41778 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:14 am to
When Israel annexes Gaza, where will those people end up? Europe/US.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55479 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:14 am to
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There should be no ”rules” in war except to win.

That’s the way it used to be. The people who fought wars that way decided there SHOULD be rules. Having never experienced that brutality I’ll take their word for it.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55479 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:16 am to
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There are rare cases where genocide is morally justified.

This is one.

Good heavens, man! Probably you are a flippant fool. If not, you are morally bankrupt. Genocide is never justified. Try to imagine for what you are advocating. Picture the mothers and babies you are advocating to be exterminated.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39652 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:23 am to
The Palestinians voted for a 'war party' (Hamas) leadership and their Party delivered. And they cheered while women were raped to death and babies ripped from their mother's womb and beheaded. They proved their inhumanity and earned their just recompense.

Jews as a genetic Race may be cunning, clannish, selfish, anti-Christian and exhibit a number of negative and positive characteristics of the which the entire Human species does, but I would rather live with them as a neighbor than the Islamists who would punish my Christian belief as being criminal.

Is what it is. Sad, but it will get worse before getting better.
Posted by TigerAllNightLong
Member since Jul 2023
1142 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:25 am to
When I see video from Gaza, all I see is a whole bunch of clean grown men walking around carrying hurt, bloody children.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
10774 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:38 am to

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This is just collective punishment, they want to destroy the infrastructure in Gaza and kill large numbers of ordinary people to teach them a lesson.


What infrastructure?

Despite billions in aid to the Palestinians, they chose to use those funds for arming Hamas instead of investing in water desalination, power generation, communications, port facilities, and food production.

Israel turned Gaza over to them in 2005, I believe, and since then they’ve made zero progress on building a sustainable economy.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63640 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:40 am to
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Israel turned Gaza over to them in 2005, I believe, and since then they’ve made zero progress on building a sustainable economy.



Please tell me that you’re not this naive.
Posted by themunch
bottom of the list
Member since Jan 2007
71916 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:45 am to
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quote:
Israel turned Gaza over to them in 2005, I believe, and since then they’ve made zero progress on building a sustainable economy.



Please tell me that you’re not this naive.


the war on history is being lost.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
27177 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:48 am to
Why is it all these liberal, tree hugging Palestinian sympathizers don't hold Hamas accountable for the civilian deaths that THEY are the ones responsible for.

Get a freaking clue. Hamas and Israel are at war!!! When hamas fires rocket into Israel and forces civilians to remain at the launch site that is on Hamas not Israel.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
10774 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:53 am to
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Please tell me that you’re not this naive.


I’m open minded ….. if it wasn’t 2005, when exactly did Israel turn governance of the Gaza Strip over to local authorities?

Where did the billions in aid go other than the pockets of Hamas leaders?
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 7:57 am
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23301 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:59 am to
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Good heavens, man! Probably you are a flippant fool. If not, you are morally bankrupt. Genocide is never justified. Try to imagine for what you are advocating. Picture the mothers and babies you are advocating to be exterminated.

Palestine voted overwhelmingly to put Hamas in power.

Hamas, without a declaration of war, partnered with Iran, a foreign enemy of Israel to commit acts of total war against Israel, specifically targeting civilians and on video declaring their intent to wipe Israel from the map.

Wipe them from the map. Not my words, theirs.

People here are talking about proportional responses, well the proportional response when someone wipes out your family and entire neighborhood while declaring their intention to erase your entire people is to do so to them before they achieve the means to actually finish the job they started.

When your neighbor is telling everyone who will listen they want you dead and have already tried to achieve that end you are under no moral obligation to sit around making meaningless peace treaties to make liberals at the UN happy while Hamas plots their next attack.

The government of Israel has an obligation to their people to ensure Hamas is removed as a threat permanently. If there is an alternative to wiping Gaza from the map to achieve that end Im all ears, but I’m pretty confident there isn’t.

I haven’t seen anyone happy that innocents are being impacted, least of all me.

The hard reality is that this is a religious war between two tribes who hate each other generationally so we can’t pretend this is going to be solved by talks at the UN. Its only going to be solved one side wins completely or the two sides are somehow separated permanently.

Temporary peace plans only prolong the conflict.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 10:47 am
Posted by Geekboy
Member since Jan 2004
8091 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 8:00 am to
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What Israel is doing in Gaza to the Palestinian civilian population – with the support of the Biden administration – is a crime against humanity


That’s when I stopped reading. Yet ANOTHER Hamas stooge. Yawn.
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