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Mearsheimer - Death and Destruction In Gaza.

Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:13 pm
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68293 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:13 pm
Is he right?
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I do not believe that anything I say about what is happening in Gaza will affect Israeli or American policy in that conflict. But I want to be on record so that when historians look back on this moral calamity, they will see that some Americans were on the right side of history.

What Israel is doing in Gaza to the Palestinian civilian population – with the support of the Biden administration – is a crime against humanity that serves no meaningful military purpose. As J-Street, an important organization in the Israel lobby, puts it, “The scope of the unfolding humanitarian disaster and civilian casualties is nearly unfathomable.”[1]

Let me elaborate.

First, Israel is purposely massacring huge number of civilians, roughly 70 percent of whom are children and women. The claim that Israel is going to great lengths to minimize civilian casualties is belied by statements from high level Israeli officials. For example, the IDF spokesman said on 10 October 2023 that "the emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy." That same day, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant announced: "I have lowered all the restraints – we will kill everyone we fight against; we will use every means."[2]

Moreover, it is clear from the results of the bombing campaign that Israel is indiscriminately killing civilians. Two detailed studies of the IDF’s bombing campaign – both published in Israeli outlets – explain in detail how Israel is murdering huge numbers of civilians. It is worth quoting the titles of the two pieces, which succinctly capture what each has to say:

“‘A Mass Assassination Factory’: Inside Israel’s Calculated Bombing of Gaza”[3]

“The Israeli Army Has Dropped the Restraint in Gaza, and the Data Shows Unprecedented Killing.”[4]

Similarly, the New York Times published an article in late November 2023 titled: “Gaza Civilians, Under Israeli Barrage, Are Being Killed at Historic Pace.”[5] Thus, it is hardly surprising that the UN Secretary General, Antonio Guterres, said that “We are witnessing a killing of civilians that is unparalleled and unprecedented in any conflict since” his appointment in January 2017.[6]

Second, Israel is purposely starving the desperate Palestinian population by greatly limiting the amount of food, fuel, cooking gas, medicine, and water that can be brought into Gaza. Moreover, medical care is extremely hard to come by for a population that now includes approximately 50,000 wounded civilians. Not only has Israel greatly limited the supply of fuel into Gaza, which hospitals need to function, but it has targeted hospitals, ambulances, and first aid stations.

Defense Minister Gallant’s comment on 9 October captures Israeli policy: "I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly."[7] Israel has been forced to allow minimal supplies into Gaza, but the amounts are so small that a senior UN official reports that “half of Gaza’s population is starving.” He goes on to report that, “Nine out of 10 families in some areas are spending ‘a full day and night without any food at all’.”[8]

More at link.
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
42061 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:14 pm to
frick ‘Em
Posted by tigersbh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
13119 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:19 pm to
Thank you for the propaganda.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:19 pm to
Half of the bombs they’ve used are dumb bombs. This is just collective punishment, they want to destroy the infrastructure in Gaza and kill large numbers of ordinary people to teach them a lesson.

Israel has been doing this as long as I’ve been alive. Although never on this scale, and never with so many dead. It won’t work though, it won’t deter the Palestinians, it will motivate them to seek revenge.
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 8:21 pm
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
96853 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:19 pm to
Not a single mention of the group that is holding them hostage in their own area while using them as human shields.

Author is biased af
Posted by Tangineck
Mandeville
Member since Nov 2017
2950 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:19 pm to
Where were the tears for the young Israeli women's naked bodies being paraded through Gaza in the back of trucks like deer carcasses? This isn't a war. It's an extermination.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68293 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:22 pm to
quote:

This isn't a war. It's an extermination.

I wish everyone was this honest about it.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
109184 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:23 pm to
DR, DV
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
35904 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:24 pm to
After 9/11, America spent the next 20 years destroying two countries that were already backworld desert shitholes. I'm not sure we have the moral high ground here.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
8414 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:25 pm to
Serious questions:

1. Were the gaza civilians requested to leave?
2. How much time were the given to leave
3. Why did they not leave?
4. How many women and children are still there and why?
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
16369 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:26 pm to
quote:

What Israel is doing in Gaza to the Palestinian civilian population – with the support of the Biden administration – is a crime against humanity that serves no meaningful military purpose.


What the Palestinians did to Israeli civilians and every rocket they have fired at Israeli civilians is a crime against humanity.

quote:

First, Israel is purposely massacring huge number of civilians

Then they really suck at it.

quote:

Second, Israel is purposely starving the desperate Palestinian population by greatly limiting the amount of food, fuel, cooking gas, medicine, and water that can be brought into Gaza.


Leave.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
143774 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:26 pm to
quote:

Is he right?


No. I watched the Gov't of Hamas declare war on Israel on Oct 7th. Hamas soldiers paraglided into a concert and killed thousands of Israeli civilians. What is happening in Gaza, deadly as it may be is a direct result of Hamas's actions.

The leaders of Hamas that are living in the safety of Qatar should surrender and be tried for war crimes. Upon their surrender, Israel should consider a cease fire.
Posted by 4x4tiger
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2006
5799 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:27 pm to
frick you, frick Gaza, frick the New York Times. Gaza voted for Hamas to run Gaza, they got em.

New York Times hid a lot of what Hitler was doing back in the day. So did old man Joe Kennedy Sr. Democrats love them some Nazism and racism. But y'all are the absolute BEST at blaming anyone who isn't a democrat. Accuse your enemy of what you yourself are doing. The Alinsky way. Taught y'all well
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68293 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:30 pm to
To quote the esteemed poster SirWinston:
quote:

MSM / journalists are gaslighting us on J6, mRNA vaccines, Climate, Ukraine..

... but definitely NOT on Israel / Palestine. We can totally trust Biden, Romney, Gates, CNN, WashPost, EU on THIS issue, lads!
Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
Member since Mar 2009
91036 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:32 pm to
stop posting at DU and reddit
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68293 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:32 pm to
quote:

Gaza voted for Hamas to run Gaza, they got em.

You voted for Joe Biden to run the U.S., you got em.
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 8:34 pm
Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
14633 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:33 pm to
quote:

Is he right?


No.

Posted by Jack Bauers HnK
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
6077 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:33 pm to
quote:

For example, the IDF spokesman said on 10 October 2023


quote:

Defense Minister Gallant’s comment on 9 October captures Israeli policy


So, quotes in the days following Oct 7 before they even went into Gaza?

Where are the occupants of Gaza that are decrying Hamas for bringing this upon them? As long as they want Hamas in power, they can live with the consequences.
Posted by Athis
I AM Charlie Kirk....
Member since Aug 2016
16389 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:34 pm to
I found this video on X. I don't know if true but it could be. It gives a little twist about this whole thing...

X
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68293 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:36 pm to
Yeah, there is a potential canal/trade route and nat gas angle to this.
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 8:38 pm
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