re: Mayor Frey rejects WH offer to remove ICE from streets in exchange for access to city jail

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Did the mass protests/riots/aggression towards ICE increase or decrease after that announcement?

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Can you have a riot without rioters?

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My only comment about a "solution" to localities making these (legal) choices was ITT and is below:

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Are you denying that you've ever said (not in this thread but others) that ICE should focus their efforts on states/localities that are working with them and pull out of states/localities that are resisting?

sounds like a cut and run after stirring the pot. Rosenthal from Audubon Park area did that a lot

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I imagine, based on these responses/framing, your goal is not to maximize depurations by ICE. That discussion is for another thread, however.

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No, my goal is to not give in to toddler's throwing tantrums, because in my experience, that just leads to more tantrums. I guarantee that if they see the blueprint is to overwhelm ICE with protests, that they will multiple those efforts across multiple cities. And yes there are several "red" states that will be much more agreeable to work with, but even in those "red" states there are "blue" cities that will still add a layer of difficulty if they have the cover of protests.

But I'm not as smart as you, so I'm probably wrong and they would just take their win in MN and stop there.

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Fraud...that has nothing to do with ICE or illegal immigration

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You and I both know that, but because of how things are being reported, many in this country actually believe the admin is rounding up legal and naturalized individuals. Which leads us to seeing the ability to do...

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These protests will have literally 0 impact on any investigation by the Trump DOJ

Different agencies, data, etc. Lots of the groundwork was already done by the Biden DOJ, also. Protests won't change that.

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Once again, you and I both know that. We also know a smoke screen when we see one. All media coverage, what little there was has dropped. We are now inundated with non-stop violence framed in a way that makes it appear that the feds are overstepping. Couple that with local and state officials refusing to to crowd control(until very recently), the protests did indeed hamper the field portions of any investigation that may or may not be happening.

I mean we all saw, what we now know, were protestors, directed by state officials, stopping and questioning and protesting anyone they thought were in any official capacity. We both know it is much harder to attempt any investigation when there is chaos on the street. The fact that state government, the same state government who may be found at fault for fraud, controlled that chaos.

The protests were never about ICE. On the surface, they claimed to be, but those orcestrating it had other motives.

Damnit man, you have me sounding like a conspiracy theorist now. I hope you are happy.

Edit to say: the Somali population being the center of the investigation gave ammunition to be able to instigate the protests since most protestors actually believe the Somalis will be rounded up regardless of status.

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Compliance with immigration detainers is voluntary, not mandatory

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So what stops the feds from going into the jails and grabbing these people?

Fed law trumps state law here

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So what stops the feds from going into the jails and grabbing these people?

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The Constitution/our legal system

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Fed law trumps state law here

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Feds can't make states act in this manner.

That's why the participation must be voluntary.

Trump stepped up and offered a solution. It's obvious this bitch wants a fight and is willing to sacrifice his people for it. Then bring it.

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I am not asking the state for permission- just go into the jails and get the illegals - jail personnel going to stop them?

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This would break the law.

I mean if you're talking about pure brute force? Sure it's theoretically possible, but it would be highly illegal.

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What gives the state the right to stop federal officers enforcing federal law ?

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The Constitution/our legal system

The state detaining them for state crimes can lead to a detainer request. The feds can't force cooperation. I'll copy/past this from earlier in the thread:

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Detainers instruct federal, state, or local law enforcement agencies (LEA) to hold individuals for up to 48 business hours beyond the time they otherwise would have been released (i.e., when charges have been disposed of through a finding of guilt or innocence; when charges have been dropped; when bail has been secured; or when convicted individuals have served out their sentence).

Detainers are only requests made by ICE; compliance is voluntary. An LEA has discretion to decide which detainers to honor and under what circumstances.

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Hundreds of local jurisdictions have passed policies limiting their cooperation with ICE and their responses to detainers. These policies resulted from a variety of concerns, including impediments to trust-building between LEAs and their communities as a result of honoring detainers and ICE’s practice of issuing detainers to individuals without serious criminal convictions or who were not threats to public safety or national security.

Following lawsuits filed by individuals held in local jails under detainers, several federal courts found that compliance with detainers is not mandatory and that key aspects of detainers are unconstitutional. As a result, many local jurisdictions became concerned about their liability if they were to honor detainers.

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