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re: Mall of La / BR General petition for Annexation into City
Posted on 5/6/14 at 12:55 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 5/6/14 at 12:55 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Mickey, do you have a prediction on the council vote breakdown on annexing BRGH, the Mall and the other properties included in the annexation petition?
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 12:58 pm to LSURussian
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Mickey, do you have a prediction on the council vote breakdown on annexing BRGH, the Mall and the other properties included in the annexation petition?
I don't but if I had to guess, I think it will pass. It's just too hypocritical to deny them this when they just annexed 3 other properties less than a month ago. If people are so worried about killing the SG movement, take it up with the State Legislature. They are the ones trying to pass the strict deadlines and moratorium. Metro Council has no power involving those decisions.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:01 pm to LSURussian
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That's two more times than I ever voted for him, hypocrite.
Hypocrite?
So you believe if you vote for a candidate you can't criticize him????
Odd definition of hypocrite, but maybe it's the Russian version.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:03 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Metro Council has no power involving those decisions.
No power, but they do have influence.
But I think they get the votes too.
SG is too big of a deal to pass.
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:09 pm to doubleb
It's Lionel Rainy's fault for including these huge business properties so close to the border without first getting a commitment from those private businesses that they wouldn't seek annexation.
He should have been able to see the possibility of annexation coming. It's hard to believe he didn't. He actually may have and took the gamble anyway. We see how it's playing out.
The point is, the metro council is not taking away the SG right to form their own city here. Rainey's poor planning and the actions by the State Legislature are to blame. How is it fair to the Mall and the hospitals who are following procedural law and want into the city limits to deny them based on a poorly crafted petition by Rainey? They have every right to get out of SG if they want to.
He should have been able to see the possibility of annexation coming. It's hard to believe he didn't. He actually may have and took the gamble anyway. We see how it's playing out.
The point is, the metro council is not taking away the SG right to form their own city here. Rainey's poor planning and the actions by the State Legislature are to blame. How is it fair to the Mall and the hospitals who are following procedural law and want into the city limits to deny them based on a poorly crafted petition by Rainey? They have every right to get out of SG if they want to.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:14 pm to Lloyd Christmas
quote:There is no right to self-determination under Louisiana law. The procedures for incorporating were established by legislation. This is a case of one faction using the ideal of self-determination as justification to interfere with the procedure of another faction to incorporate.
Ok, so we got this straight. Some people in the minority should be denied their rights for the benefit of the majority.
There are no rights involved, only privileges. And this is a case of a minority being granted privileges not available to the general public.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:16 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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It's Lionel Rainy's fault for including these huge business properties so close to the border without first getting a commitment from those private businesses that they wouldn't seek annexation.
I could care less about Rainey, but I believe it was a mistake and it was made by the leadership; Browning, and the others.
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He should have been able to see the possibility of annexation coming. It's hard to believe he didn't. He actually may have and took the gamble anyway. We see how it's playing out.
It was the obvious move by the city. The SG proponents were naïve in thinking the city would just sit there.
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The point is, the metro council is not taking away the SG right to form their own city here. Rainey's poor planning and the actions by the State Legislature are to blame. How is it fair to the Mall and the hospitals who are following procedural law and want into the city limits to deny them based on a poorly crafted petition by Rainey? They have every right to get out of SG if they want to.
They are and they aren't. Legally, they may have to start all over again if these entities leave.
And if they start all over again the legislature is actively working on laws that would make their efforts null and void.
I might be all wrong, but I see Rainey more as a spokesperson than THE RINGLEADER. I see White more in control with Browning and the other directors, but I stand to be corrected.
As for the right to get out of SG, that can't be argued since there is no SG.
But on the other hanbd, would you think it OK for say the OLOL Hospital to get out of BR, or would it be OK for LSU to get out of BR?
Paraphrasing what you said, don't they have ever right to get out of Baton Rouge?
My answer is, I don't believe they do have that right.
Now let me ask you a question, does the Mall, and the BRGH have the right to get out of the SG Fire District and not pay their legacy costs???
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:18 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I don't but if I had to guess, I think it will pass
I agree, but i think the timing is more important than the actual vote. If the vote is delayed, st.George can get the petitions in regardless. They may even get them in before the 28th,anyway. Which would then be a legal whothehellknows....
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:19 pm to Sprocket46
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I agree, but i think the timing is more important than the actual vote. If the vote is delayed, st.George can get the petitions in regardless. They may even get them in before the 28th. Which would then be a legal whothehellknows....
The public forum tonight should be interesting.
If they announce tonight that they have the signatures, we could see a real legal struggle here.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:39 pm to doubleb
I thought it was stated yesterday that they are still 4-8 weeks away from the number of signatures they need.
And to answer your question, I think those properties should pay their legacy costs. I'm on the fence about a property in an established municipality basically seceding out.
And to answer your question, I think those properties should pay their legacy costs. I'm on the fence about a property in an established municipality basically seceding out.
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:41 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Who stated 4-8 weeks?
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:55 pm to Sprocket46
Take a wild guess lol
Browning has stated recently that their "pace" is about 500 signature per week. So they are still thousands of signatures shy of their mark if all of that is true.
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Lionel Rainey, a spokesman with the effort, said an exact count of the signatures will not be disclosed at the meeting. But he said the group is close to hitting their 18,000 signature mark. “If we keep at this pace, we’ll have the signatures within the next four to eight weeks,” he said.
Browning has stated recently that their "pace" is about 500 signature per week. So they are still thousands of signatures shy of their mark if all of that is true.
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 5/6/14 at 2:15 pm to Mickey Goldmill
I don't know that even Lionel knows "the count". If 4-8 weeks is right they better hope the annexation vote gets delayed, or that they get another surge in signatures, as has been the case with these stories breaking.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 3:08 pm to Sprocket46
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I don't know that even Lionel knows "the count". If 4-8 weeks is right they better hope the annexation vote gets delayed, or that they get another surge in signatures, as has been the case with these stories breaking
My hopes are they are being coy, and are way better off than they are saying, but the way things have gone of late it seems they are a step behind on a regular basis.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 3:39 pm to doubleb
HB1212, the James bill which was to allow the parishwide vote was just amended after being heard, and returned to the calendar. Greene made James look like an idiot.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 4:33 pm to Sprocket46
More news will break tonight about the effects of the petition on annexations......
Posted on 5/6/14 at 5:57 pm to Sprocket46
quote:Isn't it the other way around....the effects of the annexations on the petition?
More news will break tonight about the effects of the petition on annexations......
See everyone at Woodlawn Baptist Church. Meeting starts at 6:30 tonight.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 6:00 pm to LSURussian
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See everyone at Woodlawn Baptist Church. Meeting starts at 6:30 tonight.
don't you win a bet if you show? How much $$$?
Posted on 5/6/14 at 6:30 pm to Lsut81
Those who go please recap...kid has baseball tonight
Posted on 5/6/14 at 6:43 pm to LSURussian
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See everyone at Woodlawn Baptist Church. Meeting starts at 6:30 tonight.
Maybe Ryan Heck will be there to call out the elite insiders and the Poverty Pimps.
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