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re: Maine joins unConstitutional National Popular Vote states
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:25 pm to TigersnJeeps
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:25 pm to TigersnJeeps
How exactly would Maine determine who won the popular vote?
Would the Maine Secretary of State have to audit the election results of 49 states?
What if one of the states is contested. Or multiple states for that matter? When is Maine decided? A court in a rando other state is going to decide Maine’s electors? That seems weird.
Plus does Maine have even have an election? And if so, how does it count its own voters votes? What if the candidate who wins Maine loses the “popular vote” (whatever the frick “popular vote” means. There is no reference in the constitution to the “popular vote.” In the COTUS).
So does Maine will then ignore the votes of its own citizens? That seems to violate the principle of one man one vote, when some dude in Chicago’s vote counts 2x as much as the guy in Maine who voted for someone else.
This is a ridiculous idea untethered by the constitution and grounded solidly in collectivism. Like all Democommunist principles.
Would the Maine Secretary of State have to audit the election results of 49 states?
What if one of the states is contested. Or multiple states for that matter? When is Maine decided? A court in a rando other state is going to decide Maine’s electors? That seems weird.
Plus does Maine have even have an election? And if so, how does it count its own voters votes? What if the candidate who wins Maine loses the “popular vote” (whatever the frick “popular vote” means. There is no reference in the constitution to the “popular vote.” In the COTUS).
So does Maine will then ignore the votes of its own citizens? That seems to violate the principle of one man one vote, when some dude in Chicago’s vote counts 2x as much as the guy in Maine who voted for someone else.
This is a ridiculous idea untethered by the constitution and grounded solidly in collectivism. Like all Democommunist principles.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 6:30 pm
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:54 pm to Wednesday
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How exactly would Maine determine who won the popular vote?
This is a great question. As far as I’m aware, there is no federal level tally of national votes.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 7:19 pm to Indefatigable
quote:The statute just says "shall determine." It does not provide a mechanism for doing so.quote:This is a great question. As far as I’m aware, there is no federal level tally of national votes.
How exactly would Maine determine who won the popular vote?
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§ 1303. Manner of appointing presidential electors in member states - Article 3
Prior to the time set by law for the meeting of and voting by the presidential electors, the chief election official of each member state shall determine the number of votes for each presidential slate in each state of the United States and in the District of Columbia in which votes have been cast in a statewide popular election and shall add such votes together to produce a national popular vote total for each presidential slate.
The chief election official of each member state shall designate the presidential slate with the largest national popular vote total as the national popular vote winner.
The presidential elector certifying official of each member state shall certify the appointment in that official's own state of the elector slate nominated in that state in association with the national popular vote winner.
At least 6 days before the day fixed by law for the meeting of and voting by the presidential electors, each member state shall make a final determination of the number of popular votes cast in the state for each presidential slate and shall communicate an official statement of such determination within 24 hours to the chief election official of each other member state.
The chief election official of each member state shall treat as conclusive an official statement containing the number of popular votes in a state for each presidential slate made by the day established by federal law for making a state's final determination conclusive as to the counting of electoral votes by Congress.
In the event of a tie for the national popular vote winner, the presidential elector certifying official of each member state shall certify the appointment of the elector slate nominated in association with the presidential slate receiving the largest number of popular votes within that official's own state.
If, for any reason, the number of presidential electors nominated in a member state in association with the national popular vote winner is less than or greater than that state's number of electoral votes, the presidential candidate on the presidential slate that has been designated as the national popular vote winner may nominate the presidential electors for that state and that state's presidential elector certifying official shall certify the appointment of such nominees.
The chief election official of each member state shall immediately release to the public all vote counts or statements of votes as they are determined or obtained.
This article governs the appointment of presidential electors in each member state in any year in which this agreement is, on July 20th, in effect in states cumulatively possessing a majority of the electoral votes.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 4/17/24 at 7:46 pm to TigersnJeeps
Maine is run by the corrupt Bushes who have a huge compound there.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:45 pm to OzonaOkapi
It’s like everything else designed by leftists. It feels good to say popular vote, do democracy!! Because reasons.
Buncha short sighted emotional hemophiliacs who shouldn’t be in charge of anything
Buncha short sighted emotional hemophiliacs who shouldn’t be in charge of anything
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:29 pm to TigersnJeeps
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Whereby their electors go to the Presidential candidate with the most popular votes....
If this somehow withstood legal challenges, I would then assume any state could bring election fraud cases against other states since illegal election shenanigans in California directly affect the votes of Maine.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:43 pm to TigersnJeeps
How is that unconstitutional? Electors are elected locally.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:49 am to TigersnJeeps
This needs to be vigorously litigated in the federal courts. Patently unconstitutional. The democrats are the real threats to “our democracy.”
Posted on 4/18/24 at 1:28 am to SDVTiger
They are still butt hurt about LePage. Horrible guy that got rid of hospital debt and did his best to try to bring economic prosperity to the state. Unforgivable, really. I hope they brought in more Somalis to increase diversity and get rid of the stain of economic accountability.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 1:33 am to RebelExpress38
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SlowFlowPro
Nice, so as long as the ultra blue states like California and New York and Illinois pack their ballot boxes to get those numbers up, the other states can ride those national numbers and effectively get around the electoral college!
Of course, and when these states have 130% participation in election voting, they'll raise hell if anybody asks why. I would have absolutely no issue with being a faithless elector in this scenario. I imagine there would still need to be electors, I have no idea though as Democrats once again try to wipe their collective asses with the constitution.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 1:34 am
Posted on 4/18/24 at 2:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
If you are really a lawyer then I feel bad for your clients.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 5:47 am to Indefatigable
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This is a great question. As far as I’m aware, there is no federal level tally of national votes.
The solution is right there in the question. It just takes one big red state like Texas passing a law that precludes the state from releasing its popular vote totals until after electors have been appointed by each state and the election has been certified by Congress.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 5:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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necessity What does this have to do with the Democratic party being decidedly more popular and supported than the GOP over the past 3 decades?
Decidedly?
The partisan identification of registered voters is now evenly split between the two major parties: 49% of registered voters are Democrats or lean to the Democratic Party, and a nearly identical share – 48% – are Republicans or lean to the Republican Party.
Pew Research Center
Posted on 4/18/24 at 6:45 am to TigersnJeeps
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Whereby their electors go to the Presidential candidate with the most popular votes....
Then, if in Maine, why even bother and vote for Pres?
Posted on 4/18/24 at 7:07 am to geauxturbo
quote:For starters, your vote is still included in the NPV totals.
Whereby their electors go to the Presidential candidate with the most popular votes....quote:
Then, if in Maine, why even bother and vote for Pres?
One theory is that this will INCREASE voter turnout, bc every single vote becomes relevant in picking POTUS. For example, a Republican in California (or a Dem in Texas) might vote under an NPV regimen, when his vote would have been pointless under a pure EC regimen.
I think NPV is bad policy, but it is silly to argue against it without bothering to understand it.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 7:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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It certainly violates the original intent, but I don't know if it violates the Constitution because states have a lot of leeway in how they appoint their electors.
So, a state could also decide to appoint their electors to how a different state, say Florida or Texas, decides to appoint its electors.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 7:17 am to StayStrapped
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If you are really a lawyer then I feel bad for your clients.
Have you noticed how much he posts here?
If he is a lawyer, he isn't getting much work.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 7:19 am to TigersnJeeps
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electors go to the Presidential candidate with the most popular votes
Will be the end of our nation.
Of course, lots of things Democrats support will be the end of our nation. "Death to America " is the core of the platform.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:31 am to momentoftruth87
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how is this different than electors challenging an election that was somehow ilegal?
How is THAT different than hamsters gnawing on a wooden fiddle?
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:47 am to TigersnJeeps
Can't wait to see this scheme also blow up in the Dem's face. They're famous for that
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