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Maine joins unConstitutional National Popular Vote states

Posted on 4/17/24 at 7:34 am
Posted by TigersnJeeps
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 7:34 am
Whereby their electors go to the Presidential candidate with the most popular votes....

NPV
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 7:36 am to
how is this different than electors challenging an election that was somehow ilegal?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 7:37 am to
Just proves Orange is up big in Maine
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 7:39 am to

Winner take all laws are also a corruption of the Electoral College.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 7:40 am to
This goes with a subject I almost made into a thread yesterday.

It's been 20 years since the GOP has won the popular vote, and that required a war-time incumbent to do it.

Before that you have to go back to his father in 1988.

So over the past 9 presidential elections (36 years), only 2 have had the GOP winning the popular vote. It's almost guaranteed 2024 will be a DEM popular vote victory again.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 7:41 am to
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Winner take all laws are also a corruption of the Electoral College.

It certainly violates the original intent, but I don't know if it violates the Constitution because states have a lot of leeway in how they appoint their electors.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 7:56 am to
Which means the voter roles need corrected and purged of non voters. Dead people, non citizens, retention of voters who no longer live in areas. Plus requiring ID’s to vote is a huge necessity
Posted by MemphisGuy
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:00 am to
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SlowFlowPro
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I don't know

Bookmarked!
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13524 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:03 am to
Nice, so as long as the ultra blue states like California and New York and Illinois pack their ballot boxes to get those numbers up, the other states can ride those national numbers and effectively get around the electoral college!
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26119 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:03 am to
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It's been 20 years since the GOP has won the popular vote, and that required a war-time incumbent to do it.

In a typical year, this margin is almost entirely contained in California, New York, and Illinois.

Which only underscores the intent and purpose of the Electoral College system.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:05 am to
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Which means the voter roles need corrected and purged of non voters. Dead people, non citizens, retention of voters who no longer live in areas. Plus requiring ID’s to vote is a huge necessity

What does this have to do with the Democratic party being decidedly more popular and supported than the GOP over the past 3 decades?

The GOP has always has national appeal issues but it's clearly the minority party today.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39417 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:09 am to
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how is this different than electors challenging an election that was somehow ilegal?


Good question. If electors cannot reject the so-called will of the state voter over election integrity questions, how can they reject it over what voters in other states are doing?
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
19007 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:11 am to
Our presidential election process was purposely designed not to elect any candidate by a national popular vote. Instead, it is a system wherein the popular vote of each state stands alone and is INDEPENDENT of the other states. Win the popular votes of enough states and you win the presidency.. it’s unconstitutional because it disenfranchises the voters of the state and robs them of their voice in the presidential election. You can’t have states doing an end run around the constitution and creating an electoral process that is at odds with the process being followed by other states.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:12 am to
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If electors cannot reject the so-called will of the state voter over election integrity questions, how can they reject it over what voters in other states are doing?

Electors are mandated to follow the rules of the state from where they are selected.

If that means they have to legally support the state certified election winner, then they have no role to "reject the so-called will of the state voter over election integrity questions".

If this mandate is to give their support to the popular vote winner, then that's the requirement (assuming Constitutionality).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:14 am to
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Our presidential election process was purposely designed not to elect any candidate by a national popular vote.

It was also designed to let states decide how the elections are run and how to mandate action by the electors.

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it’s unconstitutional

Possibly

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because it disenfranchises the voters of the state and robs them of their voice in the presidential election

I doubt for this reason, though.

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You can’t have states doing an end run around the constitution and creating an electoral process that is at odds with the process being followed by other states.

You do realize there is not uniformity in how states apportion electors, right?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:14 am to
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If electors cannot reject the so-called will of the state voter over election integrity questions, how can they reject it over what voters in other states are doing?

I don't think that the States are even required to hold a public vote for their POTUS electors.
Posted by michael corleone
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Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:14 am to
You well know that the overall popular vote is irrelevant. If you want NYC, LA, and Houston to control this country than you really are drunk from the party cool aid.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39417 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:15 am to
Here we go. This will be 30 fricking pages of you defending this shite and flaming the board while claiming not to defend it.

We cant have anything nice.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
19304 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:15 am to
While I think this is an absolutely horrible idea that spits in the face of the intent of how a President is elected I don't see how it is unconstitutional. A state legislature could decide to assign their electoral votes to a candidate based on picking a name out of a hat and it would be constitutional.

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Article II Section 1 Clause 2 "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct (emphasis added), a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.


The only argument I can see against it is the Interstate Compact Clause which says that Congress must approve any Interstate Compacts. However, which clause takes priority a State's absolute authority to determine how it's electors are selected or the interstate compact clause? I think the State's power wins out, as it should, if it comes to a constitutional question but thankfully that should never happen as I don't see states with 270+ votes passing this.
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
78968 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:15 am to
These dirty progs want the metro areas to dictate who wins.
Frick the farmers and urban residents apparently.
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