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re: Madison County, MS sheriff's deputy shoots and kills man UPDATE PAGE 9 - Self defense
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:02 pm to bamafan1001
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:02 pm to bamafan1001
quote:Well I would imagine that this should be one of the easier ones to clear up since it was a traffic stop, and cars should have dashcam footage plus the officer could have has a bodycam, although less likely.
I never said it did, nor am I defending anyone in the story. I think we need to wait to get the full story before we start making judgments
If there is no footage and no weapon though, the officer shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt.
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Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:07 pm to theenemy
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Reasonably Perceiving your life is in danger allows you to defend yourself whther you are an officer or just a normal citizen.
Of course. And when the court 98% of the time believes the officer over the dead person his word becomes fact, what becomes reasonable has a sole point of view, and its not the view of the dead.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:08 pm to BobBoucher
Ok
But just remember alot of the justification LEO uses in determining if they can use lethal force is the same justification you as a citizen also uses.
But just remember alot of the justification LEO uses in determining if they can use lethal force is the same justification you as a citizen also uses.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:10 pm to Tiguar
quote:I agree, the guy was on the ground and the cop shoots him in the stomach? Like WTF. Then the chest and stomach a second time. Awful, I hope she sues that shite hole county for all its worth.
That's murder
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:12 pm to ninthward
quote:Not when the person you just wasted was unarmed. You better make damn sure your life is legit in danger, this cop's was not.
Reasonably Perceiving your life is in danger allows you to defend yourself whther you are an officer or just a normal citizen.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:13 pm to NYNolaguy1
Ok so you want the justice system to take the stance of guilty until proven innocent?
The burden is on you to prove he is guilty....that doesn't change just because he is a policeman.
You don't believe him prove him wrong.
The burden is on you to prove he is guilty....that doesn't change just because he is a policeman.
You don't believe him prove him wrong.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:13 pm to theenemy
quote:
But just remember alot of the justification LEO uses in determining if they can use lethal force is the same justification you as a citizen also uses.
If this story is half true, no way. Same with the guy who was mowed down by swat in the hotel hallway. Executed for not following is instructions.
If I’m in my house, I’ll pull a gun because at that point a trespasser is a threat.
But outside of my property, I wouldn’t pull a gun unless I was being attacked or someone pulled a weapon. It’s not that complicated.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:14 pm to ninthward
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agree, the guy was on the ground and the cop shoots him in the stomach? Like WTF. Then the chest and stomach a second time. Awful, I hope she sues that shite hole county for all its worth.
How do you know this is fact?
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:16 pm to theenemy
quote:
But just remember alot of the justification LEO uses in determining if they can use lethal force is the same justification you as a citizen also uses.
Riggght.
This is another problem that some people think LEO and the public have the same level of protection from the law.
DA's have a tendency not to prosecute people when it makes people in power and themselves look bad.
Theres no shortage of situations where if a citizen had killed a person they get the needle, yet if LEO do it they get a promotion and paid leave.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:16 pm to BobBoucher
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If I’m in my house, I’ll pull a gun because at that point a trespasser is a threat.
Why is he a threat? Why not just leave?
Or ask him to leave
This post was edited on 6/10/18 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:19 pm to theenemy
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Why is he a threat? Why not just leave? Or ask him to leave
You can’t be serious. Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:20 pm to theenemy
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You don't believe him prove him wrong.
You will have to forgive me if I dont have total trust in every govt official.
Theres no shortage of ways evidence that would convict him disappears. Lost footage, broken cameras, erased dashcam footage, thrown grand jury case, broken microphone, lost police report, no filed police report...
You have far more faith in govt than I do.
This post was edited on 6/10/18 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:21 pm to theenemy
quote:
Why not just leave?
Because in my state I have no duty to retreat.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:27 pm to Dienekes
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The times that they aren't talking they can't breathe.
Science. Read a book.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:31 pm to BobBoucher
The same right that allows you to protect yourself when you perceive a threat is what allows police to protect themselves when they perceive a threat.
If you say an officer has to see a weapon first then you also will have to see a weapon first.
The right to defend yourself is the same whether you are a cop or not. By placing more restrictions on them you also place more restrictions on you.
You perceived a threat due to an intruder which is reasonable even though you don't see a weapon. Your perception is the what is taken into account when determining justification same as an officer.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:33 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:
You have far more faith in govt than I do.
I just think you can't have 2 different standards.
Either everyone is innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:36 pm to theenemy
quote:But that's exactly what we have. It took two trials to convict the officer who shot a fleeing suspect in the back ON CAMERA to get convicted. It wouldn't even have made it to trial if it was a regular citizen because they would be begging for a plea that doesn't include the death penalty.
I just think you can't have 2 different standards.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:37 pm to theenemy
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Either everyone is innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent.
Or is it possible the system bends and sometimes breaks for preferred people and certain offices?
Your assumption that everyone is held to the same standard is at best optimistic and at worst naive.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:38 pm to theenemy
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The same right that allows you to protect yourself when you perceive a threat is what allows police to protect themselves when they perceive a threat.
I’ll play your game.
Someone being in my house is a threat so I pull a gun. I don’t pull the trigger unless that threat materializes.
I expect police to use the same logic.
Not following instructions is not a threat. A gun shouldn’t even be pulled.
This post was edited on 6/10/18 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 6/10/18 at 2:40 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
But that's exactly what we have. It took two trials to convict the officer who shot a fleeing suspect in the back ON CAMERA to get convicted. It wouldn't even have made it to trial if it was a regular citizen because they would be begging for a plea that doesn't include the death penalty.
Disagree
The system breaks down at times.
Are you saying police are the only ones slipping through the cracks?
There are plenty of criminals that beat charges.
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