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re: Maddie Scharfenstein, Sage Ryan and double standard of the "N-word"
Posted on 1/3/23 at 4:17 pm to TruthSpeaker225
Posted on 1/3/23 at 4:17 pm to TruthSpeaker225
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If you’re white you can’t say that word. Period.
Should a government institution like LSU regulate speech of students with disciplinary action unequally applied based on the students race?
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 4:19 pm to SammyTiger
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This is a hilarious response to white people not being able to use racial slurs.
This thread isn't advocating for whites to use racial slurs, it's pointing out a double standard.
If we're going to have hate speech laws, or even social norms where to quite literally dispel people from society, shouldn't they apply to everyone?
Posted on 1/3/23 at 4:24 pm to Azkiger
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Yeah, let's not look at how we've reacted as a species to voter ID in the past in order to determine how we will react as a species in the future...
Point is, you can look all over the world, during the last 2,500 years and not see an instance of voter identification leading to the state preventing people from voting at large.
Giffords would love your arse on their team. You could be part of Team Look at Australia!
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You asked me to list all the times we've had federally mandated voter IDs in this country.
Correct.
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You know the answer to that. Zero times. We've never done so.
Also correct.
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Why ask that? Because you wanted to throw doubt... Maybe things would turn out differently here. Maybe federally mandated voter ID would lead to the government taking away our right to vote even though that's never happened in human history.
Well, because that's the relevant question. You don't have historical precedent on your side "110%" or whatever the frick you said. You have nothing but "eh, probably wouldn't happen," which means next to nothing.
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Do you think you'll die in a car accident tomorrow? Your guess means frick all so stay at home.
Well, I have some control over that. I don't put my hope in the federal government to drive for me.
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In 2008 (In District of Columbia v Heller) we were one vote shy of losing our second amendment rights.
Can you name anything similarly occurring with our right to vote?
We were one vote from an unfavorable decision that would have allowed some states to further erode our rights protected by the Second Amendment.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 4:25 pm to Azkiger
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No one is advocating for white people to be able to say it
Nope...I am.
I'm advocating for "the word" to be open season for anyone to say it and by doing so will lose any weight idiots give it. By continuing to make it taboo, and even worse by granting certain groups special dispensation to say it while forbidding others, all we're doing is perpetuating the myth that words have some sort of power over us.
This is why, in my example of my son in high school English class from earlier, we have students and teachers petrified to read "the word" out loud despite assigning a book with "the word" featured in it prominently AND knowingly reading it out loud!
It's not about "getting to say it." It's about recognizing words are just words and it's better to demystify them all.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 4:26 pm to Sam Quint
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kind of funny how suddenly respectful and borderline obsequious 850 has been to T on this thread since he found out he's black.
Switched up his tone QUICK
Posted on 1/3/23 at 4:34 pm to Azkiger
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This thread isn't advocating for whites to use racial slurs, it's pointing out a double standard.
The poster you are responding to is a simpleton. He knows this, but because he is a Progressive, this is the MO.
You can't reason with people that would jail you over a word, fleece you, and want to frick your kids. You need to quit trying.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 4:36 pm to Lsuhoohoo
comments like that within earshot of an official have and will draw a flag for UNS
Posted on 1/3/23 at 4:53 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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By continuing to make it taboo
Insults will always be taboo in polite society.
Saying it in a friendly manner to a buddy, or in a quotation/historical context, or on a comedy stage are different than using it crudely.
Hopefully you don't advocate for your kids to curse like sailors, use the crudest descriptions for genitalia at the family dinner table, etc.
No, none of that should be illegal, but we do attempt to uphold certain social standards. I don't think wincing when someone says a racial slur with intent to insult is abnormal behavior.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 10:11 pm to Azkiger
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Insults will always be taboo in polite society.
Agreed. I don't find a racial slur any worse, though, than any other insult. Lazier maybe, but certainly not MORE insulting.
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Saying it in a friendly manner to a buddy, or in a quotation/historical context, or on a comedy stage are different than using it crudely.
As I've said over and over here. While I personally have no reason to say any slur as an insult, I have no real issue if others do. I'll judge them accordingly, as you've suggested. what I will not tolerate is refusing to utter the word in context as if doing so is going to summon some demon. That's insanity and I won't play along.
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Hopefully you don't advocate for your kids to curse like sailors, use the crudest descriptions for genitalia at the family dinner table, etc.
Of course not...time and place. But from early on we've been consistent in explaining that we don't find any words "bad." I'll never get hung up over the use of a "curse" word used excitedly and in good nature more so than I would "normal" words used to hurt. For instance the sentence, "You're stupid, ugly and are a disappointment," is far worse than, "You're fricking beautiful."
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I don't think wincing when someone says a racial slur with intent to insult is abnormal behavior.
This goes back to my suggesting that people are judged by their behavior. Part of that is to judge them by the language they use, not by limiting it from use.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 2:15 am to 850SaintsGator
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850SaintsGator
You've suffered enough the past 24 hours so not trying to pile on. But a few comments to clarify why your stated views lead me to cognitive dissonance.
(1) If I understand the etymology of the word it was first used as a derogatory term by whites toward blacks. But in time, if a black person wanted to really insult another black person, they would co-opt the term and speak the whites' insult themselves. The ultimate insult. Cold hearted betrayal.
The word has almost fallen out of disuse among whites but apparently its use is prevalent and accepted among blacks. So does the word still mean what first did? Seems like it can't possibly mean that or else blacks wouldn't be saying it.
(2) As another poster noted, a non-black person could be blaring music with the term heard loud-n-clear. No problem. But park the vehicle and stop the music, and continue to sing the lyrics and now you're ignorant and/or racist?
In most contexts apart from parody, when one person sings the songs of an artist, it is rightly considered being favorably disposed. And artists appreciate when fans sing their songs. But in the situation described above, not so? Listen to but no sing out?
(3) If Mason Taylor (LSU TE whose dad is NFL HoF'er Jason Taylor (black) and whose mom is Zach Thomas's sister (white)) played the tennis player or Sage Ryan, how would you adjudicate?
None of this makes any sense to me.
FTR1: I'm not suggesting Sage be disciplined by LSU. It was bad sportsmanship. But penalize it on the field.
FTR2: for me personally I have no desire to use terms that would be perceived as insulting by another period. So no, I'm not advocating for using slang.
FTR3: LSU's Admin is in a pickle.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:09 am to AlwysATgr
I can't believe I missed this gem of a thread in real time.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:10 am to Saint Alfonzo
Hearty chuckles were had all around
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:14 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Hearty chuckles were had all around
If you look up clueless and unaware in the dictionary, there's a link to a certain poster.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 10:29 am to TruthSpeaker225
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If you’re white you can’t…
Congratulations, you just proved you are a racist.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 10:46 am to MikeBRLA
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this story is a couple years old, but it's a great example of the stupidity we have reached. by all accounts, and by literally every Marine I know that has worked for General Neary, this was an absolute STUD of a Marine and a phenomenal leader. however, his career was ended and he was forced to retire for uttering the FORBIDDEN WORD regardless of context. it is absolute insanity that the mere act of a white man making a specific two syllable sound come from his vocal cords in ANY CONTEXT is enough to destroy a career, but an entire race can do it consequence free.
the issue isnt the historic use of the word, or the pain and burden that it allegedly carries around, etc. the issue is one of power. it has become a point of absolute power that black people wield over white people, without condition - a condition that our leftist friends are happy and eager to propagate.
this story is a couple years old, but it's a great example of the stupidity we have reached. by all accounts, and by literally every Marine I know that has worked for General Neary, this was an absolute STUD of a Marine and a phenomenal leader. however, his career was ended and he was forced to retire for uttering the FORBIDDEN WORD regardless of context. it is absolute insanity that the mere act of a white man making a specific two syllable sound come from his vocal cords in ANY CONTEXT is enough to destroy a career, but an entire race can do it consequence free.
the issue isnt the historic use of the word, or the pain and burden that it allegedly carries around, etc. the issue is one of power. it has become a point of absolute power that black people wield over white people, without condition - a condition that our leftist friends are happy and eager to propagate.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 10:50 am to Sam Quint
That is wild, considering the context was the Marine in question was AGAINST wanton use of the slur:
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On the morning of July 22, 2020, Neary had just finished a run and was at the pullup bars doing physical training when he overheard rapper Big L’s song “Put it on,” which was being played by a separate group of Marines doing PT.
Neary ordered the Marines to turn off the music with the offensive language, saying that allowing it to be played could give the impression that he and other Marines condoned the words in it.
“You cannot play songs that use the ‘n-word’ in it because it is counter to good order and discipline. ... We have a problem when we think it is acceptable. Look what is going on across our country,” Neary said in his account to the IG of what he told Marines.
Junior Marines, however, said they were shocked by Neary’s use of the full N-word and the tone of his admonishment.
“Neary said (the word) should never be used and it is a word of hate,’” according to a statement by one of the Marine witnesses.
The Marine’s statement went on to say that Neary told the group that the N-word “is the reason ‘you people’ are doing riots in the U.S.”
Neary acknowledged saying the N-word once but denied that he had repeated it, as other Marines alleged. He also denied saying “you people.”
But the testimony of Marines who made the complaints was found to be consistent, and the report asserts that their statements corroborated one another.
The IG concluded that Neary had “failed to demonstrate exemplary conduct.”
Posted on 1/4/23 at 10:55 am to TbirdSpur2010
the story has grown legs over the last couple years, and there are people out there who will swear that General Neary was dropping hard R's, burned a cross, and lynched two of them right then and there
BUT
the original story, as virtually everyone without a political axe to grind knows and acknowledges, was that he said the word one time, and asked if the Marines were shocked to hear him say it, and that it should be equally offensive and shocking to hear in ANY context, be it from a general officer or a rap song, and that it had no place on a Marine base or PT field. there was no "you people" or talk of race riots or any of that.
but it doesnt matter. our sorry arse commandant fired him for cause anyways, and that was that for a general that very well may have been a four star some day.
BUT
the original story, as virtually everyone without a political axe to grind knows and acknowledges, was that he said the word one time, and asked if the Marines were shocked to hear him say it, and that it should be equally offensive and shocking to hear in ANY context, be it from a general officer or a rap song, and that it had no place on a Marine base or PT field. there was no "you people" or talk of race riots or any of that.
but it doesnt matter. our sorry arse commandant fired him for cause anyways, and that was that for a general that very well may have been a four star some day.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 11:09 am to GeauxTigerTM
interesting views. i believe in free speech but we cannot have these double standards like this chucklefrick 850gayturd is endorsing.
how many were offended watching full metal jacket the first time with Gunny hartman? he went of with racial slurs on jews, blacks, italians, hispanics, etc.
everybody loved that movie. most laughed at it and did not let it bother them.
how many were offended watching full metal jacket the first time with Gunny hartman? he went of with racial slurs on jews, blacks, italians, hispanics, etc.
everybody loved that movie. most laughed at it and did not let it bother them.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 11:33 am to Fat Bastard
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how many were offended watching full metal jacket the first time with Gunny hartman? he went of with racial slurs on jews, blacks, italians, hispanics, etc.
everybody loved that movie. most laughed at it and did not let it bother them.
Hell...or Bad News Bears for that matter!
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Everyone lived...the end.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 11:40 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Agreed. I don't find a racial slur any worse, though, than any other insult.
Agreed, had a conversation with my wife about this exact thing.
Racism is just bullying. No, it's not acceptable, but it's also not a nuclear bomb. It's just bullying and should be treated as bullying of any other sort.
I was a mouthbreather because of nearly crippling allergies as a child, (age and several surgeries throughout my life fixed it, now I'm fine) and was picked on mercilessly for it. That was an immutable trait that I couldn't change, and I was bullied for it. How is that any different from a group of kids picking on me for my skin color? It's not. At the end of the day I was told horrible things because of something that was completely out of my control.
I agree that saying racial slurs is bad (in hurtful contexts), but it's also over-hyped in our current society.
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