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re: Lower and Middle Class America has declined over the past 50 years
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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Another pivot to emotional arguments due to losing the argument
You already lost the argument. You prove this by self declaring yourself the winner like you do in every thread.
You’re insecure bro.
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Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:28 am to Taxing Authority
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It's incredibly provencial to aruge that Americans are poor, while arguing that our workers aren't overpaid.
By international standards there are no poor people in amerca. And they are the most expensive labor on the planet.
Literally the same discussions with rex, spidey, etc in the Obama era and prior.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:29 am to Jake88
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Why must there be criteria or a decision? Won't the corporations choose their next steps?
Because the first steps are taken by government, not the corporations.
Because you're not going to protect an industry for everything we consume.
I mean, if that's the plan, start with tea leaves. It's not fair that our tea growers have to compete with Indian slave wages, so make the tariff high enough that our domestic tea growers are competitive.
Now do that with, to paraphrase from The Professional, EVERYTHING!!!!!
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:29 am to texag7
Pretty sure the data you are using is cherry picking a point in time. I’ve seen it promoted by a lot of leftists pushing for a minimum wage increase.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:29 am to texag7
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Working at McDonald’s is easier and lower level than any manufacturing job foreign or domestic.
I see you're triggered.
McDonalds jobs are more economically productive than the lower-level manufacturing jobs you want to use Leftist redistribution to bring back.
The question is why.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:30 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:That's the thing. Employers like that have been struggling to hire for years. The myth is that there is some latent workforce out there just yearning for sweatshop work to return. We're closing in full-employment. Where are all these workers?
The place was like hell on earth to work. If we bring back a bunch of work like that which doesn't pay well, are we much better off?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:31 am to texag7
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Lower level manufacturing jobs do exist in the US.
Your argument is that they don’t?
You say this after this OP?
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And the entire time jobs and manufacturing being shipped overseas for decades.
The "jobs and manufacturing" you're referencing in OP do not exist in the US, per your OP. This is because they are economically unproductive.
A McDonalds worker is more economically productive than these jobs you reference in OP.
My question is why you think we should engage in leftist redistribution to "bring these jobs back" and why they deserve to be paid more than more economically productive McDonalds workers.
Hopefully you stop fighting with the facts of your own OP and answer the question.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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McDonalds jobs are more economically productive than the lower-level manufacturing jobs you want to use Leftist redistribution to bring back.
Nope. McDonald’s workers are not producing anything. They are heating up pre made food produced in factories.
Manufacturing jobs are producing usable goods from raw or mostly raw materials.
You are wrong yet again (not surprising).
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:In most cases, yes.
The solution is less government and less manipulation and intervention.
BUT
You do not get there by allowing the manipulations and interventions of other governments to damage/destroy your own solution.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:32 am to BigJim
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Pretty sure the data you are using is cherry picking a point in time. I’ve seen it promoted by a lot of leftists pushing for a minimum wage increase.
You are 100% correct.
And promoted by unions to push for higher salaries
It's all baked into the same leftist economic principles.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:33 am to texag7
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Nope. McDonald’s workers are not producing anything. They are heating up pre made food produced in factories.
Farmers don't produce anything. They just gather food produced by the ground.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:33 am to Azkiger
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A smaller piece of a bigger pie might be more pie than a bigger piece of a smaller pie.
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No. I'm calling you a Leftist because you're using LITERAL Leftist talking points against the free market and less government intervention.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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Increasing the cost of goods means less money circulating in those areas of the economy.
So this hinges on the pie example.
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It's the same pie, at first.
False. If those dollars are staying home it's a larger pie.
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You're assuming the welfare class will take these jobs when jobs are available for them currently that they refuse.
You're painting with a broad stroke. Some of the welfare class refuse to work, others do work.
The ones that work would surely want a higher paying job, no?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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You say this after this OP?
Your claim is that I said every single manufacturing job is gone? Like zero left in the US?
Because that’s what you’re suggesting.
Your argument tactics are low IQ and the hallmark of lower level law grads. I am easily tossing you around right now
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:34 am to texag7
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McDonald’s workers are not producing anything. They are heating up pre made food produced in factories.
Yeah, and that's more economically productive than the work you want brought back. That's the point.
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Manufacturing jobs are producing usable goods from raw or mostly raw materials.
Inefficiently, economically.
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You are wrong yet again
You're trying to change facts to mold your argument.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:34 am to Flats
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Farmers don't produce anything. They just gather food produced by the ground.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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Yeah, and that's more economically productive than the work you want brought back. That's the point.
According to your opinion and literally zero data. Like every comparison you make up.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:35 am to texag7
quote:Whooosh.
What shoe is made overseas and costs $5 dollars. Nikes cost over $200 and are made by slaves
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:36 am to texag7
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or temu Morris Bart
Or Family Dollar E. Eric Guirard.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:36 am to Azkiger
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False. If those dollars are staying home it's a larger pie.
No, it's not.
You're having to assume facts that don't reflect reality to prop up your argument.
You're also ignoring how the pie will get smaller by focusing on less efficient and productive economic avenues.
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You're painting with a broad stroke.
No what I posted is fact. Jobs exist for the welfare class today. They refuse them and prefer welfare.
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The ones that work would surely want a higher paying job, no?
Most have the opportunity for this but don't want to put in the work to have them.
This is the problem with the "halcyon factory" class, who, when presented with a changing economy and need for adaptation, refused and complained their easy, overpaid factory jobs were gone.
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