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re: Lot of Gun Control Talk from the left...........but what are their actual proposals?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:14 am to LSU alum wannabe
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:14 am to LSU alum wannabe
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A. As mentioned. Magazine restriction.
To what size? 5 rounds? less?
B. Background checks. Deeper background checks.
This guy would have passed all background checks. Shooter with elem school would not have passed background checks, but he did not own any guns. His mom legally owned them and had them in a locked gun safe.
C. Bump Stocks are definitely a new buzz word that’s on the table. Big target on its back.
Agree about bump stocks should be illegal. Problem is as with large magazines is they are everywhere. How do you get them off the streets?
D. Other modifications to triggers made illegal.
This is good in theory, but doesn't stop people who know about guns to modify them and triggers. You can change it to make them fully auto, nothing really about this that can be done IMO. Only thing would be to restrict magazine size again.
E. Get ready for heads to explode. Set limit of AR style weapons one can possess. And amount of ammunition.(impossible to police). But I can see a valid ID needed for ammo. Just like for a gun purchase. For the purpose of tracking how many rounds you have.
How far would you really be willing to go with this line of restriction. Would you be willing to restrict how many cars people could own because of potential car crashes? What about restricting people to drive due to medical conditions such as having past heart disease or stroke? Very slippery slope when you start taking away freedoms.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 9:23 am
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:15 am to civiltiger07
There were repeating rifles with 20 round capacities powered by air pressure being used by other governments at that time.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:17 am to cahoots
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The only time you need that much ammo is if you're a mass murderer.
Or another time someone might want to buy that much ammo is when a ban or limits on ammo is proposed. DOH!
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:21 am to CajunTiger78
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Yes you are correct, but ones right to protect and defend their lives and the lives of their loved ones were faced with someone with a muzzle loader on the other side. Now in a worse case scenario you could have a group of bad guys invading your home, all of which may have high capacity clips in their guns. Meanwhile you want the average American to be regulated to a clip that holds what 8, 10, maybe 12 rounds? Times change so should common sense.
I'm tired of your paranoia making the country a less safe for the rest of us. The chances of you being invaded by someone with a high capacity rifle and you successfully defending yourself with a high capacity rifle are infantesimal compared to you being injured of killed by a crazy idiot in a mass shooting incident like the one in Las Vegas.
I don't have the stats to prove it but I'd bet a bunch of money that almost every home invasion is by someone with a handgun, not an assault rifle.
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Fact still remains the same, guns don't kill people, bad guys/gals do. I'd rather have responsible gun owners around when the crap hits the fan, giving myself and others around me a better chance at surviving.
Tired of this argument as well. You are right. It takes a crazed frick to actually use a gun to kill people but we can do things to limit the amount of damage that crazed frick can actually do.
I own guns. Bunch of em. To be fair I think the push by some to ban AR type guns because they look scary is idiotic. But the reasons someone needs one that can fire so many times without reloading aren't strong enough to outweigh the danger they pose.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:22 am to cahoots
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The only time you need that much ammo is if you're a mass murderer.
False, The number of rounds that competition shooters got through in a week would probably make your head spin.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:23 am to Friscodog
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Would you be willing to restrict how many cars people could own because of potential car crashes?
Another dumb argument that just makes the closed minded gun defenders seems completely illogical to the rest of us.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:23 am to Haughton99
We should just execute all the stupid people... Any nominations?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:28 am to Haughton99
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I don't have the stats to prove it but I'd bet a bunch of money that almost every home invasion is by someone with a handgun, not an assault rifle.
So tell the truth you want to ban all guns. quote:
The chances of you being invaded by someone with a high capacity rifle
See first quote. You are correct chances are it will be a handgun.
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defending yourself with a high capacity rifle are infantesimal compared to you being injured of killed by a crazy idiot in a mass shooting incident like the one in Las Vegas.
The number of Self Defense uses of a firearm per year vary widely (55,000-350,000). The reason for the large gap is its hard to track cases that are never reported. Guy pulls out a gun criminal runs no shots fired and nothing is reported.
Still care to make that bet?
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To be fair I think the push by some to ban AR type guns because they look scary is idiotic. But the reasons someone needs one that can fire so many times without reloading aren't strong enough to outweigh the danger they pose.
So you call it idiotic then say that you agree with the idiotic statement. So you are calling yourself idiotic?
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 9:32 am
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:31 am to Haughton99
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Another dumb argument that just makes the closed minded gun defenders seems completely illogical to the rest of us.
More carnage could have been done driving an 18 wheeler tanker full of gas into the crowd at high speed.. Arguments like yours that guns are the problem is stupid.. You have never answered the question as to what gun law would have prevented this?? Even deeper background checks would not have caught this guy.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:32 am to Haughton99
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I'm tired of your paranoia making the country a less safe for the rest of us. The chances of you being invaded by someone with a high capacity rifle and you successfully defending yourself with a high capacity rifle are infantesimal compared to you being injured of killed by a crazy idiot in a mass shooting incident like the one in Las Vegas.
I don't have the stats to prove it but I'd bet a bunch of money that almost every home invasion is by someone with a handgun, not an assault rifle.
Ironic you talk about infinitesimal chances and paranoia the way you do. Being involved in a mass shooting is infinitesimally likely to occur. Very irrational that you are more paranoid over the extreme unlikelihood of being a victim in a mass shooting, and less concerned over a home invasion.
IDC if the home invader is using a handgun, shotgun, nail gun, or baseball bat; I should be able to defend myself with a rifle, shotgun, handgun, nail gun, or nothing, but it should be my choice.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:33 am to teke184
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What would a “deeper background check” turned up here?
Not a damned thing.
But possibly helped Sandy Hook, Aurora, Virginia Tech, and Gabby Giffords (can't recall town) shooter.
Pulse Nightclub guy would have passed checks too.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:33 am to Haughton99
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From a quick google search it seems like anything over 10 rounds is considered "high-capacity" by most legal jurisdictions. I'm good with that number.
What about the hundreds of millions of high capacity magazines already in existence?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:35 am to LSU alum wannabe
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Sandy Hook
Ummm... he stole a legally owned firearm in that particular case... So, NO a deeper background check would not have prevented it...
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:36 am to Aristo
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What about the hundreds of millions of high capacity magazines already in existence?
Well they would now be illegal, so people couldn't use them anymore to do other illegal things like murder, duh.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:38 am to AMS
Duh. Why didn't I think of that. 
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:38 am to Haughton99
quote:Its an inanimate object you moron, it takes an person to operate it.
outweigh the danger they pose
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:39 am to civiltiger07
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So tell the truth you want to ban all guns.
If you got that impression from my post then you are functionally illiterate. My proposal was very specific.
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The number of Self Defense uses of a firearm per year vary widely (55,000-350,000). The reason for the large gap is its hard to track cases that are never reported. Guy pulls out a gun criminal runs no shots fired and nothing is reported.
Still care to make that bet?
You probably need to re-read the post I was replying too. That guy was arguing that high capacity magazines are a good idea because someone may invade your home with a high capacity rifle and I was simply pointing out the near 0 chance of that ever being the case.
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So you call it idiotic then say that you agree with the idiotic statement. So you are calling yourself idiotic?
You can have an AR-15 with a normal capacity magazine and I would have 0 problem with you owning 1 or 20 of them. The OP asked for a proposal and I gave one specific one that would have zero affect on your ability to own a assault style rifle.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:39 am to civiltiger07
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False, The number of rounds that competition shooters got through in a week would probably make your head spin.
Then they can apply for a competition license to get more rounds. I'm taking about everyday people and you guys bring up the lone exception.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:40 am to AMS
Shooters use hi cap mags all the time in crimes in CA and its a gun free utopia that banned hi cap mags years ago.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:41 am to cahoots
quote:Its not a lone exception google competition shooting numbers. So anyone with 1000 rounds is a mass killer by your logic.
Then they can apply for a competition license to get more rounds. I'm taking about everyday people and you guys bring up the lone exception.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 9:43 am
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