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re: Looks like the tide is with Israel in Gaza

Posted on 11/3/23 at 7:03 pm to
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 7:03 pm to
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If Israel’s already hitting Hamas leadership and imploding their command bunkers, I think they are doing what they needed to do.


The IAF is capable and good at what they do, but because of how limited the ground forces are, and because Israel is so casualty sensitive, Israel is over reliant on air power. The use it to conduct targeted strikes, and they use it to conduct reprisals or punitive missions.

The problem is that air power can’t win wars in its own. They can bomb Gaza for weeks, but eventually, they’ll need to send in the infantry, if they actually want to defeat Hamas. Urban fighting will negate almost all of Israel’s advantages and Hamas will be fighting on roughly equal terms.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47172 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 7:11 pm to


Gaza citizens to Hamas leadership.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
23179 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 8:49 pm to
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If I was Netanyahu, I would have three conditions of the Palestinians for a cease fire:

1. Free the hostages

2. Oust Hamas from the government, and install a new temporary government until elections can be held.

3. Turn over all Hamas members to Israel.


If I was Netanyahu, I would have three conditions for the Palestinians that must be met within 72 hours or my command order is complete annihilation:

1. Free the hostages.

2. Provide the money trail funding Hamas.

3. Turn over all Hamas members to Israel.

In other words, the Middle East will be changed when this is over.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
29230 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 9:23 pm to
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Let the Palestinian National Authority, the party that controls the West Bank, control Gaza.

What does that even mean? "Let"?


Exactly what it says. As opposed to not letting Hamas control it any longer.

quote:

The Palestinians in Gaza were dissatisfied with peaceful negotiations with Israel, that's why they elected Hamas to lead their government. They literally voted for this war. Here it is.


Only 44% voted for Hamas. That means most Palestinians didn't. Fatah got 41%. Then Hamas waged a war against Fatah and defeated them. And as soon as Israel initiated operations, Hamas took all their Palestinian political prisoners out of their cells and executed them...many without having had a trial and others without having been sentenced.
Posted by Captain Rumbeard
Member since Jan 2014
7167 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 10:27 pm to
They will. And it will piss them off even more. And that's good because it means they'll finish the job.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39274 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 10:32 pm to
Good lord, Bama bandwagon fans across the globe.

But that is cool AF.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39274 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 10:34 pm to
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Israel has been goaded into fighting an urban battle in Gaza. They will take heavy casualties fighting inside the city.

You are so fricking stupid and that’s a commonly-held opinion too.
fricking dumbass.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 11:32 pm to
Israel will most likely lose this war.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 11:43 pm to
The July War (2006) ended because of the casualty rate. The Israelis decided the human cost of winning was too high.

Bint Jbeil, is a good example of what could happen in Gaza. It’s a town of 20k people on the border in Southern Lebanon. The IDF declare it cleared on the second day, only to retract that statement. Fighting would continue for more than two weeks, and Israel was ultimately unable to clear the town.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39274 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 11:56 pm to
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The July War (2006) ended because of the casualty rate. The Israelis decided the human cost of winning was too high.

Where there was 119 Israeli soldiers and 43 civilians killed? That casualty rate?
You are a fricking stupid liar.
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6135 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 12:09 am to
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Next idea is some ground penetrating radar looking for tunnels.

The chatter is they'll use seawater to flood the tunnels. Engineering and deployment would only take a few weeks and then the actual flooding would take weeks to months depending on how they rig it up.
Posted by Dubaitiger
Abu Dhabi, UAE
Member since Nov 2005
5214 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 1:48 am to
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The July War (2006) ended because of the casualty rate. The Israelis decided the human cost of winning was too high.


My War Story in Lebanon 2006

I flew into Lebanon to visit my sister and her 2 kids the day before that attack. After they bombed the airport and the fuel station, we were stuck in outskirts of Beirut for about 10 days in a bad arse crib, until we hauled arse to Damascus, Syria, then flew to Dubai a couple days later. We grabbed a limo and went chill at my house in Abu Dhabi for 3 days, then sister and 2 kids flew back to Lafayette.

During those 10 days, I hunted rabbits, chased some hot tail in Brumana, and partied at the Tiger Club in Batroun, partied at brother-in-laws club in Rabia, watched the Tour de France without Lance Armstrong (rooting for Floyd Landis), cooked a bunch of Cajun food for the in laws (They loved Jalapeno shrimp poppers and seafood gumbo). Also, went to the USA Embassy a couple times to try and get out of there, and they asked if we wanted to go on a slow boat to Cyprus... I said "hell no". All of them Arabs were holding USA passports, and I was like, "hey look at us, we are real Americans" lol

Bro-in-law's family arranged a deal with Syrian Secret Service/Military type dudes to get us out of there. We fled Beirut with a convoy of 6-7 cars, one van was just for all the luggage for 17-18 of us. Never saw more Louis V. luggage in my life. The first cousin of my Bro-in-law stayed back in Beirut to watch the estate as people could have taken over the house (allowed in war), but he needed to protect the home, massive watch collections of Patek P and Rolex, AP, etc. plus their insane car collection of 1 Rolls R., 1 Ferrari, 1 Lambo, 1 Porche, 3 Mercedes Benz (All S500), 1 BMW 750Li, 1 truck, and another 1-2 others.

We had chartered a plane to take us from Damascus to Dubai and who were going to fly with us? None other than Sheikh Mohammed Al Maktoum's (Ruler of Dubai) son (Crown Prince of Dubai). Actually, he called us and I talked to him as they were already in Syria and wanted to leave for Dubai, but we were still in Lebanon as the women do take long to get ready, even in a war situation... Go figure! I told him to wait as we set up that plane charter, but the young Prince said "Sorry, we are leaving" LOL

I set up the cars as follows due to if the Israeli Army looking from planes or satellites thought our convoy could have been moving the captured Israeli soldier, and would have bombed us, my mom would not have lost a lot of her family from 1 strike. They would have to lay us out with 6-7 strikes as I asked the drivers to stay 40-50 yards apart:

I went in the first car with the hottest cousin in law chick and one more, the hot Philippines maid (Sound like Quagmire), next car my sister's mother-in-law, sister's son, and 2 others, then 3rd car my sister and others, the 4th car was the van full of luggage, the 5th car were the rich Aunt and Uncle and 2 of their grandkids, then 6th car was my niece and others, then the final car was the first cousins.

We rented some nice wheels, lets potentially blow up in style was our thoughts. But I knew ground intelligence would report that there is no way they would smuggle that missing Israeli soldier in all that shinny bling convoy... LOL

We had to change course due to roads bombed with huge craters in them, passed through the Beka Valley, corn fields, other impressive crops growing there, off road areas, etc. but finally made it to the Lebanese boarder, and went to a Villa of some high profile dude, who ran that boarder crossing, and probably made tens of millions of $USD, by moving arms through the borders! He left with a paper bag full of our passports, and came back 1 hour later with all of the passports officially stamped out of Lebanon (without seeing our faces). That dude had pictures of every Middle East leader and from Levant. Before he left he stopped me from taking pictures in his house with some of those leaders. While waiting we had catered food that the in-laws had pre-arranged with this dude at his villa. He charged us $1,500 per head to exit and fix the exit stamps in passports and entry into Syria. We paid about $1,000 a day per car (2 days rental) we rented and lump sum of $20,000 for the Syrian goons who traveled with us up to the hotel, and they also arranged the flight to Dubai, but we paid for those tickets.

Same shite into Syria, this ole baw left his villa in 2 cars, 1 in front and one behind our convoy, went into Syria, and he got out the car and went into the office and stamped all our passports (without seeing our faces) into Syria legally. There were thousands of people at that boarder area, and I feel we cut the line, then the man turned around with his other car, but they had arranged Syrian Police to lead our convoy into Damascus straight to the Four Seasons hotel.

I was enjoying Syria and the gorgeous gals, since Dubai Crown Prince left in the private jet without us. Then, in the middle of the 2nd night, we go those Secret Service goons to get us 17-18 tickets on Emirates Airlines to Dubai and I did not want to go, I was happy in Syria for a few days, but left with them. Heck, my brother-in-laws first cousin, who stayed to guard the family home in Lebanon called me and said they were having a big party that evening and his girlfriend had at least 10 of her hotty friends... almost made me go back into the war zone... lol

We landed in Dubai, and it was so hot, my niece and nephew were like, "where are we, is this earth". It was like 46C and humid.... We grabbed a limo, said goodbye to all and hauled arse to my house in Abu Dhabi while all of the other in-laws checked in at the Burj Al Arab hotel in Dubai (the 7 star sailboat hotel). Sister stayed 2-3 days at my house to catch their breath after all the war time drama, then flew back to Lafayette after buying new tickets on Lufthansa- Abu Dhabi-Frankfurt-Houston-Lafayette. I hit the golf links the next day and back to normal.
Posted by RetiredSaintsLsuFan
NW Arkansas
Member since Jun 2020
2466 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 5:24 am to
They need to fill them up with nuclear power plant waste water or some type of gas that will not dissipate.

How deep are these tunnels?
This post was edited on 11/4/23 at 5:25 am
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
25463 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 7:49 am to
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If I was Netanyahu…


I would just keep going with my military through all of Gaza, then behind them I’d get about 100 bulldozers and drive those motherfrickers from corner to corner. Make it a complete desert. Leave nothing standing behind me.

That’s the deal.
Posted by midnight orange
Member since Oct 2020
525 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 8:26 am to
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If I was Netanyahu, I would have three conditions for the Palestinians that must be met within 72 hours or my command order is complete annihilation:

1. Free the hostages.

2. Provide the money trail funding Hamas.

3. Turn over all Hamas members to Israel.

In other words, the Middle East will be changed when this is over.



I don’t think he wants #2 lest he out himself.
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68825 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 8:40 am to
The West Bank model? Where a group of Jewish settlers shot down a
Palestinian farmer tending his fig orchard. Not the best example of
a solution to the trouble.

I support Israel, but the West Bank is problematic. Israel’s settlement policies have created unnecessary
conflict.
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
22285 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 10:36 am to
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Nailing one ambulance carrying Hamas leaders out of a convoy takes great intelligence


The IDF must have eyes on the ground to pinpoint that target.
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