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re: Listening to SCOTUS Birthright argument: WE ARE FRICKED
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:45 am to DByrd2
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:45 am to DByrd2
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Very good! Now, all together class… What does that mean?
*children in unison*
“That the original intent of the 14th Amendment could not have been to allow birthright citizenship as a part of the formal immigration process.”
Your conclusion is not logical
You should read WKA. Congress has the ability to expand the process of citizenship and regulate immigration. You're conflating that with a separate Constitutional discussion about the 14A. WKA addresses this specifically.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:46 am to DeBoar
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Well yeah, illegal migrants don’t affect the daily lives of Supreme Court justices so why would they care?
Can you explain how it impacts your life?
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:46 am to ChineseBandit58
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so we are bound by their incomplete wisdom to predict the future
but at the same time you hold that they would totally agree with any interpretations modern leftists want to choose for the words they used to frame their actual intent???
So new concepts can be introduced to the benefit of one party and opposing parties have to suffer the consequences ??
This is word for word how leftists try to weaken the 2A, fwiw. "The founders never could've imagined AR-15s so we need to revisit if it actually applies in 2026"
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:47 am to ArHog
Our local autist would never entertain such a fantasy even though it’s essentially what is occurring, after all the Congress needs to just amend the Constitution which will never happen and he knows it so he argues the semantics of it.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:47 am to Ingeniero
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This is word for word how leftists try to weaken the 2A,
Correct
It's the "they only intended the 2A to apply to muskets" nonsense
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:48 am to TBoy
quote:Oh shut the frick up. Your side supports abortion up until birth.
I have never heard the miracle of birth described in the manner in which you describe it. You must not have children.
You fricking demon.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:49 am to Covingtontiger77
You know the founders left us with a mechanism for changing the Constitution. Part of the genius of it.
We need to fix this with a constitutional amendment.
Unfortunately, the document says what it says.
On this court you have 3 liberals who will say anything but the rest are a combination of originalists and textualists.
The originalists will be sympathetic to the original meaning argument. I believe it's the correct position.
A textualist like Kavanaugh certainly agrees with the originalists position but it's trumped by his belief that the Constitution says what it says and it says if you are born here you are a citizen.
Trump needs to push for a constitutional amendment.
We need to fix this with a constitutional amendment.
Unfortunately, the document says what it says.
On this court you have 3 liberals who will say anything but the rest are a combination of originalists and textualists.
The originalists will be sympathetic to the original meaning argument. I believe it's the correct position.
A textualist like Kavanaugh certainly agrees with the originalists position but it's trumped by his belief that the Constitution says what it says and it says if you are born here you are a citizen.
Trump needs to push for a constitutional amendment.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:50 am to bhtigerfan
Cut Tboy some slack, homeboy can’t help it
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:52 am to TBoy
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. What other jurisdiction is that baby subject to? The baby has never lived anywhere else.
The parents country of origin.....
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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Your conclusion is not logical
My response was addressing mainly TBoy’s seeming argument that the 14th Amendment covers birthright citizenship.
It does not.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:53 am to NytroBud
quote:So if they stay here they are not subject to US laws? you sure you want that?
The parents country of origin.....
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:53 am to TBoy
Kagan just dragging Wang along.....yes, yes that right.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:55 am to Covingtontiger77
Sounds like we’re about to get birthright citizens, but a removal of their parents.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:55 am to TBoy
"But then again, Republicans don't want to work to solve problems. They thrive and campaign on emotional outrage. That is the only thing they sell these days."
I would apply this at least equally to Democrats, but leaving aside who is more at fault, I do agree that we are stuck in a cycle in which the only thing politically important for all but a few in the House or Senate is not to be outflanked to the left for Dems or to the right for R's. As much as I would hate to see it, we may have reached the stage at which the filibuster is no longer worth it. The change would come at great cost, as it would likely result in much wilder policy swings, but at least the party in power (assuming they have the presidency and both houses of Congress) would be responsible for laws that actually get passed instead of being able to point the finger to the obstructionist party in the Senate. For example, the R's are largely freed from any responsibility to repeal, replace, or fix the mess that it is the ACA because they don't have 60 votes in the Senate. Maybe, and I stress "maybe," we are better off if they had to "own it."
I would apply this at least equally to Democrats, but leaving aside who is more at fault, I do agree that we are stuck in a cycle in which the only thing politically important for all but a few in the House or Senate is not to be outflanked to the left for Dems or to the right for R's. As much as I would hate to see it, we may have reached the stage at which the filibuster is no longer worth it. The change would come at great cost, as it would likely result in much wilder policy swings, but at least the party in power (assuming they have the presidency and both houses of Congress) would be responsible for laws that actually get passed instead of being able to point the finger to the obstructionist party in the Senate. For example, the R's are largely freed from any responsibility to repeal, replace, or fix the mess that it is the ACA because they don't have 60 votes in the Senate. Maybe, and I stress "maybe," we are better off if they had to "own it."
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:56 am to Covingtontiger77
I don’t give a frick what Wong Kim Ark says or frankly what anyone “thinks” the 14th Amendment says.
You will never convince me that the framers of the 14th meant that fricking Chinese tourists could drop a baby here while on “vacation” or an illegal immigrant can have a baby here after illegally entering the country and their fricking children automatically get US citizenship.
I subscribe to fricking common sense law, not “there was no such thing as illegal immigrants when the law was written and therefore we should let millions of fricking leeches become citizens” bullshite.
You will never convince me that the framers of the 14th meant that fricking Chinese tourists could drop a baby here while on “vacation” or an illegal immigrant can have a baby here after illegally entering the country and their fricking children automatically get US citizenship.
I subscribe to fricking common sense law, not “there was no such thing as illegal immigrants when the law was written and therefore we should let millions of fricking leeches become citizens” bullshite.
This post was edited on 4/1/26 at 11:08 am
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:59 am to DByrd2
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That the original intent of the 14th Amendment could not have been to allow birthright citizenship as a part of the formal immigration process.
The fact that congress didn’t anticipate an issue with their law doesn’t change their lawZ
they couldn’t have anticipated school shooting when they wrote the 2nd or a standing professional army with a 800 billion dollar budget or semiautomatic weapons or free slaves.
But that amendment is still there as they intended it.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
WKA was about a man who was permitted to be working, not people with a criminal record (achieved by ignoring and defying immigration laws).
By having that work permit, he was subject to the jurisdiction of the USA.
The children of illegals are not, and that is the opinion of a man with two children by a woman who came here legally, but illegally overstayed before getting her papers squared away.
If this immigration enforcement and this hearing had happened in 2017 (before I met her), my oldest would not be eligible to be a citizen of the USA.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:00 am to Covingtontiger77
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:01 am to JimEverett
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or an invading army.
Have I got good news for you!
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