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Lights out in Spain, Portugal, France??

Posted on 4/28/25 at 12:17 pm
Posted by BrookhavenBengal
Brookhaven, MS
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/28/25 at 12:17 pm
Posted by SingleMalt1973
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 4/28/25 at 12:19 pm to
WTF is this rare atmospheric phenomenon? …


Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
36803 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 12:21 pm to
Shellenberger:

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It was one of the largest peacetime blackouts Europe has ever seen. And it was not random. It was not an unforeseeable event. It was the exact failure that many of us have been, repeatedly, warning lawmakers about for years — warnings that Europe’s political leaders systematically chose to ignore.

While Portugal’s grid operator REN initially blamed the mass blackout on “extreme temperature variations” and a “rare atmospheric phenomenon,” and while some media repeated that framing, the reality is more serious. Weather may have triggered the event, but it was not the cause of the system’s collapse.

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When the disturbance occurred, Spain’s grid, running mostly on solar, wind, and a handful of nuclear plants, could not absorb the hit. With so little inertia online, frequency plummeted. Protection systems kicked in automatically, disconnecting plants to prevent equipment damage. Disconnections triggered more instability, causing more plants to trip offline in a vicious cycle. Within minutes, the entire Spanish and Portuguese grids collapsed.

Spain’s blackout wasn’t just a technical failure. It was a political and strategic failure.

It was the predictable result of ignoring clear, repeated warnings about how fragile the modern grid was becoming.

People will rightly note that things could have been done to prevent this, but the underlying point remains: large quantities of renewables make the grid unstable, potentially catastrophically so.


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Posted by JackieTreehorn
Malibu
Member since Sep 2013
32641 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 12:21 pm to
Solar flares
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
13013 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 12:22 pm to
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WTF is this rare atmospheric phenomenon?



Posted by SlayTime
Member since Jan 2025
1283 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 12:22 pm to


He warned you he was super cereal
Posted by BrookhavenBengal
Brookhaven, MS
Member since Oct 2007
3510 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 12:24 pm to
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Shellenberger
is good at his job.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
18066 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 12:24 pm to
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WTF is this rare atmospheric phenomenon? …


A scapegoat for their failure.
Posted by Beessnax
Member since Nov 2015
10127 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 12:27 pm to
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Spain’s grid, running mostly on solar, wind, and a handful of nuclear plants


This would have been the US eventually as well if we didn't vote the communist party out of the White House
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
4532 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 12:29 pm to
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This would have been the US eventually as well if we didn't vote the communist party out of the White House


Don't gloat too much, they'll probably be back some day.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
37911 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 12:29 pm to
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WTF is this rare atmospheric phenomenon? …

Euro Socialism. Spain and Portugal are f'ing basket cases.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
8478 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 12:30 pm to
system protection on very high voltage lines operates in the speed of 10-12 frequency cycles. Thats right, stuff trips off by design in 1/5 of a second.

Thats why system inertia, power factor, spinning reserve must be designed in. The greens have never understood the laws of science.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
14012 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 12:38 pm to
The EU should shut down all power from 7pm until 7am. The planet depends on it. And no generators can be sold to people. We are all in this together. Forward!
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
37911 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 1:02 pm to
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The EU should shut down all power from 7pm until 7am

You jest, but some countries in Europe, like the UK are considering putting nighttime driving bans into effect because Nanny thinks it's too dangerous.
Posted by Boomer Rick
Member since Apr 2021
243 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 1:04 pm to
Climate change is real bruh.
Posted by epbart
new york city
Member since Mar 2005
3084 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 1:12 pm to
There's some arguing it's something more intentional...
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If the results of these blackouts do somehow pull Ukraine deeper in the fold (as a useful/necessary partner) as this guy suggests, and as the tweet from a Ukrainian official he reposts suggests (saying Ukraine is ready to assist in restoring power), then he may have a point... as far as it being intentional. "Rare atmospheric" conditions / temp fluctuations sounds like a flimsy excuse.

I wouldn't jump on that bandwagon just yet, but it's worth mentioning since every crisis is an opportunity. Will take time to see how this potentially plays out.
This post was edited on 4/28/25 at 1:19 pm
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7052 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 1:44 pm to
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You jest, but some countries in Europe, like the UK are considering putting nighttime driving bans into effect because Nanny thinks it's too dangerous.


Red Barchetta
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
14012 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 1:51 pm to
Posted by Tandemjay
Member since Jun 2022
3936 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 2:33 pm to
US news will blame tariffs or the shut down of USAID.
Posted by Cajun67
Watson, LA
Member since Jul 2021
375 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 5:30 pm to
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Euro Socialism. Spain and Portugal are f'ing basket cases.
but just catching up on alerts to find swepco sent northwest lossey anna into darkness
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