re: Life begins at conception.

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So now you're saying that abortion should be considered murder? BTW, I agree that it should be in most cases.

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I think As some point it should be yes.

I’ve said before I am Not a “life begins at birth” person.

I just Don’t think it starts at conception either.

It’s obviously not an easy question to answer, but I wouldn’t ban the morning after-pill Or extremely early Abortions.

This shite all started cause the crazies wouldn't accept 3 months as a suitable number in which to have an abortion. The time window kept expanding and now, the crazies want abortions up to the time - or - exceeding natural birth.

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Life begins at conception. Prove me wrong.
Agreed. Relevance?

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Do you think human life is sacred? That life that you agree began at conception is a human life. Prove me wrong.

I guess you only think that some lives matter.



I also agree with some others here who assert that you have a bloated opinion of your own intelligence.

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In context it shows the difference between hitting a woman and causing a miscarriage and hitting a woman and killing her.

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Not at all. The previous verses in Ex. 21 already talked about accidental manslaughter (creating cities of refuge for them to flee to) and fighting that results in injury vs. death of adults. There was no need to even mention the child or the pregnancy at all if the issue was about accidentally hitting a woman and causing her injury vs. killing her. The focus was on the child, not the mother. The "harm" was directed at the child, not the mother.

In other words, if a pregnant mother is accidentally hit during a fight and it causes premature labor and the child is fine, then the husband can petition the judges for a fine of some sort. However, if the act causes the child to die, then the one who hit the mother would have to pay with his life.

It's exactly the opposite of what you are saying it is, and again, the context of the rest of the Bible bears that out.

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CJB and JPS translations both say miscarriage.

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Yes, a few translations do say that. That's an interpretative decision based on what the translators thought the passage was saying or intending to say. Many other translations don't say that, though. That's precisely why I gave you what the word yasa literally means rather than just give you my interpretation of it within the context.

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That life that you agree began at conception is a human life. Prove me wrong.
Why would I try to prove you wrong? I agree with you. A human fetus in utero is obviously both human and alive.

But the analysis is not limited to identifying the species, as far as I am concerned

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Then I was correct, only some [human] lives matter to you.

How about some other lives - say the aged, or the terminally ill, or a retarded child, or the criminal, or maybe just someone who disagrees with you. Are those lives worthy? Can anyone be allowed to make a judgement as you do and choose which human life is worthy of human rights?

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Also I'm just being pedantic because I'm pedantic by nature and I'm in a profession defined by pedantry.

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Understood.

I think there's a lot more common ground between about 75% of the population than seems the case because everyone argues at the extremes. If our laws reflected this common ground and they were legally sound (unlike Roe-v-Wade), and we left it to the "warring parties" on the extremes to try to win a majority that would then drive new laws, I think we'd coexist just fine. But that would mean the abortion industrial complex would lose a ton of revenue, and politicians would lose an emotional hook on voters/money.

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I think As some point it should be yes. I think As some point it should be yes.

I’ve said before I am Not a “life begins at birth” person.

I just Don’t think it starts at conception either.

It’s obviously not an easy question to answer, but I wouldn’t ban the morning after-pill Or extremely early Abortions.
I’ve said before I am Not a “life begins at birth” person.

I just Don’t think it starts at conception either.

It’s obviously not an easy question to answer, but I wouldn’t ban the morning after-pill Or extremely early Abortions.

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You don't even realize how insane what you said is. So you don't know when life begins. It doesn't begin at conception or birth but somewhere in between. You do think termination at some point before birth is ok, just not sure when. WHAT IF you and anyone else who thinks that abortion, at least in some cases or at some point, is ok are wrong???

Have any of y'all ever seen what happens during an abortion or the aftermath of the murder??? If you haven't, I think you're opinion would change.

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How about some other lives - say the aged, or the terminally ill, or a retarded child, or the criminal, or maybe just someone who disagrees with you
The right not to be killed would have vested in all of those individuals. Per the Constitution, those vested rights could/should not be terminated absent due process.

I have simply been discussing the point at which legal rights would begin to vest in a given human. Apparently, you think they should vest a few months sooner than I do. You don't see me acting unpleasant about that disagreement. Why do YOU feel the need to do so?

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Don't get flustered, Aggie, I am not acting unpleasant at all. I am simply stating facts based on assertions made by you.

Nowhere in the Constitution that I am aware of does it distinguish between a human life inside the womb and a human life outside the womb. Furthurmore, nowhere does it ascribe "vested rights" to human lives outside the womb as opposed to those inside the womb.

In fact, in reality, the laws of the land make no distinction either when it chooses to pursue murder charges for both the mother and the human life in the womb. So, when you choose to deny human rights to a human life in the womb (to use your words, "the right not to be killed"), you are in fact committing murder or at the very least, condoning it.

(Edited for spelling.)

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Abortion is so much more nuanced than both sides try to make it.

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its really not.

Heartbeat bill, three exceptions.

Its called compromise

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Life begins at conception.

Prove me wrong.

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Life preexists conception.

Consider your point proven wrong.