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re: Let's talk about school vouchers in Louisiana (A Policy Analysis)
Posted on 10/22/23 at 9:47 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 10/22/23 at 9:47 pm to NC_Tigah
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Well that flipped the discussion a bit.
It’s all bullshite. The Orleans Parish School Board was so corrupt before Katrina that the FBI set up a field office at OPSB headquarters. Of course there was nowhere to go but up!
Charter schools have worn out their welcome here, but I don’t see a way out of this mess. Parents (including me) would pitch a fit if our kids had to attend their neighborhood schools in lieu of the schools the parents selected. I’m mostly happy with our kids’ school because I was able to make an extremely informed decision about which school to pick and we got our first choice.
I’ve had to file formal complaints with the Louisiana Dept of Education twice already and my oldest is only in first grade. These schools are run like businesses. Their priority is cutting costs, not student achievement. It’s why I quit teaching. At the last school I taught at, my principal told me “Bottom line, this is a business.” I put my notice in the next day. Schools are not businesses and shouldn’t be run like them. The stakes are too high.
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Posted on 10/22/23 at 10:11 pm to 4cubbies
So you get to make an informed decision of which school your child should attend..isn’t this what vouchers are designed to do for, like every family?
Posted on 10/22/23 at 11:08 pm to 4cubbies
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I’m mostly happy with our kids’ school because I was able to make an extremely informed decision about which school to pick and we got our first choice.
Your own firsthand experience is positive, why are you arguing against it on this post? I may be missing something, but it sounds like exactly what vouchers are supposed to be.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 11:11 pm to GetMeOutOfHere
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Your own firsthand experience is positive, why are you arguing against it on this post? I may be missing something, but it sounds like exactly what vouchers are supposed to be.
A private business made money, oh no
Posted on 10/22/23 at 11:28 pm to 4cubbies
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Charter schools have worn out their welcome here, but I don’t see a way out of this mess. Parents (including me) would pitch a fit if our kids had to attend their neighborhood schools in lieu of the schools the parents selected. I’m mostly happy with our kids’ school because I was able to make an extremely informed decision about which school to pick and we got our first choice.
1. Has the ability to choose where her crotch goblin goes to school, and chooses a charter school
2. Starts a thread complaining about a program that allows parents the ability to choose where their kids go to school
3. ???
4. Continues being a progressive dumbass that fricks homeless guys
Posted on 10/22/23 at 11:28 pm to 4cubbies
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Parents (including me) would pitch a fit if our kids had to attend their neighborhood schools in lieu of the schools the parents selected. I’m mostly happy with our kids’ school
Is this really 12 pages of you complaining about parents being offered a choice only to end up here?
Seriously?
Posted on 10/22/23 at 11:35 pm to Flats
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Is this really 12 pages of you complaining about parents being offered a choice only to end up here?
you’re talking to a person with a 90 IQ
Posted on 10/23/23 at 12:00 am to GetMeOutOfHere
quote:my kids don’t attend a voucher school or get school vouchers. All the public schools are charter schools here.
Your own firsthand experience is positive, why are you arguing against it on this post?
Posted on 10/23/23 at 12:06 am to WinnPtiger
And she is teaching our children 
Posted on 10/23/23 at 12:11 am to 4cubbies
So you’d understand why families who aren’t in that situation (stuck with a bad public school) would be grateful for a voucher as an option
Posted on 10/23/23 at 12:17 am to shamrock
Voucher schools aren’t the same as charter schools. A voucher school application is 16 pages. Charter applications are hundreds of pages with encyclopedic writing. The bar is set much higher for charter schools than voucher schools. 100% of schools that have applied to be a voucher school have been approved. 100%! A school that was literally opened out of a townhouse on the westbank was approved to accept vouchers.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 12:28 am to 4cubbies
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The stakes are too high.
The stakes are pretty high with what I do as well, but running the business end efficiently ensures wider availability of service and encourages innovation.
This post was edited on 10/23/23 at 12:29 am
Posted on 10/23/23 at 12:29 am to 4cubbies
I wonder if homeschool groups can get the vouchers?
Posted on 10/23/23 at 12:30 am to 4cubbies
quote:That is ridiculous.
100%! A school that was literally opened out of a townhouse on the westbank was approved to accept vouchers.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 12:36 am to 4cubbies
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Numerous studies
Wait. Studies performed by government funded entities found that government funded entities perform better?
NO WAI!!! I. am. so. shocked.
This post was edited on 10/23/23 at 12:37 am
Posted on 10/23/23 at 12:38 am to 4cubbies
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As evidenced by this thread, shedding light on the failures of school vouchers here is like pissing In the wind.
School vouchers will never be a failed program. Ever.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 6:45 am to NC_Tigah
quote:what is the business end of a school? Most schools don’t even have real text books for students. Teachers must make copies of one textbook and give the copies to the students.
but running the business end efficiently ensures wider availability of service and encourages innovation.
If a student is disruptive how would a business handle it? And if a student costs the school extra money because of physical disabilities? Business would dictate not serving that student, right? It’s cost prohibitive. How would students with learning disabilities be treated by a business?
Posted on 10/23/23 at 6:46 am to imjustafatkid
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Wait. Studies performed by government funded entities found that government funded entities perform better?
how do you think voucher schools are funded? 
Posted on 10/23/23 at 6:47 am to 4cubbies
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Teachers must make copies of one textbook and give the copies to the students.
Where is this? I need to know, because I have a large copier that could use the exercise.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 7:17 am to 4cubbies
quote:In the case of public schools, the business end is ensuring the highest quality product funding will allow.
what is the business end of a school?
quote:I'd bet we could agree that is an example of a failed business.
Most schools don’t even have real text books for students. Teachers must make copies of one textbook and give the copies to the students.
quote:I guess it depends whether the business is in Birmingham or Berkeley. In short you use the most effective legal means at your disposal to end the disruption. But under no circumstances do you tolerate it, or perpetuate it through nonresponse.
If a student is disruptive how would a business handle it?
quote:That is either budgeted or should be through the ADA. I guess in a system that cannot manage to purchase textbooks with a $9K/student/yr budget, ADA incompetence wouldn't be a terribly surprising finding.
if a student costs the school extra money because of physical disabilities?
quote:NO!
Business would dictate not serving that student, right?
If the business' responsibility was attendance to all-comers, good business would dictate not just serving that student, but doing the best job budgeting allowed in providing that service.
quote:Then how do international systems do it better and at lower cost?
It’s cost prohibitive.
quote:You do know there are businesses doing just that .... because public schools aren't?
How would students with learning disabilities be treated by a business?
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