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re: Let's talk about school vouchers in Louisiana (A Policy Analysis)
Posted on 10/23/23 at 5:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 10/23/23 at 5:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Seems it was setup to fail.
A voucher system would have to have some boundaries to keep from having diploma mills.
What kind of effed up human being does that to kids?
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Posted on 10/23/23 at 5:20 pm to NC_Tigah
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What kind of effed up human being does that to kids?
There are a lot of greedy sociopaths out there who think the ends justify the means.
I have a real soft spot for kids and dogs.
This post was edited on 10/23/23 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 10/23/23 at 5:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I'm thinking more in terms by teacher union advocates and BAMN.
There are a lot of greedy sociopaths out there who think the ends justify the means.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 5:28 pm to NC_Tigah
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I'm thinking more in terms by teacher union advocates and BAMN.
Theres a weird cultish feel to the unions and their relationship with their members. Its greed dressed up as justice. When I was student teaching I noticed the cultish behavior.
The system has turned into a job creator for grown ups and a day prison for kids. It seems to me the kids that suffer the most could benefit from options rather than being stuck in one failing school with no hope.
This post was edited on 10/23/23 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 10/23/23 at 5:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I hate to generalize. My mom was among the best teachers I ever had. She eventually was a union member. I don't know that she ever voted for a Dem POTUS candidate in her entire life.
Theres a weird cultish feel to the unions and their relationship with their members.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 5:45 pm to NC_Tigah
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I hate to generalize.
The gap between the average teacher’s political views and that of their unions might be the biggest gap among all the unions.
But most public school teachers will toe the line on vouchers and school choice even if they’re otherwise conservativeish.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 5:46 pm to Flats
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The fact that Yugo made a shitty car doesn't mean that all cars are shitty.
The current model isn't working for anyone it sounds like. Students, taxpayers or teachers. Gotta start somewhere.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 5:49 pm to 4cubbies
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The stakes are too high.
Right. The stake are too high.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 5:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Anyone against school choice for all is an idiot or a teacher union profiteer or both.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 6:00 pm to I B Freeman
Hard to argue with that reasoning.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 6:05 pm to the808bass
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But most public school teachers will toe the line on vouchers and school choice even if they’re otherwise conservativeish.
I have a cousin who is quite conservative, except on school issues. Shes a teacher, and will support the union view on education issues almost every time. S
Posted on 10/23/23 at 6:35 pm to the808bass
quote:None of that is apropos anecdotally.
The gap between the average teacher’s political views and that of their unions might be the biggest gap among all the unions.
But most public school teachers will toe the line on vouchers
Posted on 10/23/23 at 7:43 pm to the808bass
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But most public school teachers will toe the line on vouchers and school choice even if they’re otherwise conservativeish.
That was our experience when starting a charter school. Teachers who were conservative in nearly every aspect of their lives poor-mouthed, lied or the district bureaucracy lied to them and they believed it; I was very surprised by a few folks.
It's sorta like cops. They may vote like you and believe like you in nearly everything, but they'll side with a "brother officer" against you 99 times out of 100.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 8:03 pm to 4cubbies
Many of those references have some age in them. Are their newer studies?
There are some studies that indicate voucher recipients have a higher rate of attendance in college LINK and LINK
Vouchers are a great idea, but they run into the same problems as other competitive education. Marketing can overtake true outcome. I’ve seen colleges that would ring a bell and give you a free shirt if you put down a deposit during accepted students day. It sounds like I’m your example that some bad schools were able to successfully market an experience and grift some money. There are other policy methods to deal with that situation than declaring the program a failed program
There are some studies that indicate voucher recipients have a higher rate of attendance in college LINK and LINK
Vouchers are a great idea, but they run into the same problems as other competitive education. Marketing can overtake true outcome. I’ve seen colleges that would ring a bell and give you a free shirt if you put down a deposit during accepted students day. It sounds like I’m your example that some bad schools were able to successfully market an experience and grift some money. There are other policy methods to deal with that situation than declaring the program a failed program
Posted on 10/23/23 at 8:19 pm to dukkbill
quote:So we can’t evaluate programs until they work?
There are other policy methods to deal with that situation than declaring the program a failed program
The Louisiana Scholarship Program is a failed program. There is consensus on that among informed people. Even Betsy DeVos said it’s poorly thought out and executed and she’s the poster child for school choice.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 8:26 pm to Donnie 9 inch
The Department of Education on the Federal level needs to be abolished.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 8:45 pm to 4cubbies
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I don’t get it.
Lol. I didn't think you were that dense.
But here we go. You are a teacher in Louisiana that lives in New Orleans. Posting on Tigerdroppings.com while you are supposed to be teaching our kids.
Thank God we have an alternative such as the Archdiocese. I'll happily pay them to the alternative.
Let's just call it me exercising my voucher.
This post was edited on 10/23/23 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 10/23/23 at 9:01 pm to Errerrerrwere
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You are a teacher in Louisiana that lives in New Orleans. Posting on Tigerdroppings.com while you are supposed to be teaching our kids.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 9:10 pm to 4cubbies
Pretty sad when you think about all the bitching you did for 20 pages about kids test scores
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