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re: Let's begin emptying death row...

Posted on 6/28/26 at 12:43 am to
Posted by Warrior Court
Atlanta
Member since Apr 2022
3965 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 12:43 am to
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I'm personally of the opinion that letting someone sit in prison for life until they die naturally is not actually justice for someone who murders another person.


That’s not very Christian of you but no surprise a Christian is a hypocrite when it’s convenient for you.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
72897 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 12:44 am to
People who don’t believe in morality don’t get to judge those who do.
Posted by Lsujacket66
Member since Dec 2010
5389 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 1:43 am to
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I don’t understand why these guys are on death row for so long. I understand their right to appeal their sentence and conviction, but we should put those at the top of the list.

I oppose the death penalty, just on moral grounds I don’t think any man should determine when another man dies…

However I do think if someone is sentenced to death and there’s zero reason to doubt and there’s eye witnesses and 10000% assurance they’re guilty.. it should be don’t the next day.


But I do worry about some cases where people have been sentenced to death and have later proven innocent. Even 1 out of 100 would make the whole thing untenable
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
12112 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 1:51 am to
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costing taxpayers at least $15.6 million extra per year


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Maintaining the capital punishment system costs Louisiana at least $15.6 million annually,


Not saying the overall premise is wrong but AI seems to think that it is free to send someone to prison for life...
Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
4746 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 3:52 am to
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You really don’t know? Let me fill you in. There are too many skinny jean wearing lawyers out there like SFP and others that think criminals should have more rights than the average citizen.


Think 4cubbies with a law degree and it all makes sense. I think we should use forceps and squeeze their heads until they pop. It seems to be the preferred method with liberals.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
10516 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 7:23 am to
I’m thinking it’s due to the dozens of men who were on death row who were later proven to be innocent, were exonerated, and were released.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
13777 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 7:31 am to
If you have them dead to rights "pun intended" do it then.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
10516 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 7:43 am to
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If you have them dead to rights "pun intended" do it then.


May be hard to define this. Does “dead to rights” include “an eyewitness three feet away from the crime recounting the crime to a jury”?
Posted by Tigers0918
Member since Feb 2020
1908 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 7:46 am to
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But I do worry about some cases where people have been sentenced to death and have later proven innocent. Even 1 out of 100 would make the whole thing untenable


This exactly. Everyone yelling about killing all death row inmates would rather kill a few innocent people if it means killing the rest of the murders there.

I would rather not kill the innocent and let them just rot in prison on the hope one day the innocent prove it and get out which happens all the time unfortunately.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
13777 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:01 am to
A tent full of eye witnesses in the Anthony case.

DEAD to RIGHTS.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
98548 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:08 am to
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I think the option for death should be available to all prisoners.


They were selfish in murder so why would you expect anything different on sentencing?
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
48365 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:09 am to
Had a classmate murdered in early 90’s and her killer is on like his 10th appeal

It’s ridiculous

And it’s slam dunk with video evidence that it was him
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
47376 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:41 am to
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That’s not very Christian of you but no surprise a Christian is a hypocrite when it’s convenient for you.
I think you are mistaken. Capital punishment enforced by the civil magistrate is entirely consistent with Christianity. From the Old Testament to the New, the death penalty for certain crimes was expected.

The apostle Paul stated that if he had done anything worthy of death, he would not object to being executed. Jesus, Himself, will judge the wicked with eternal death in hell.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70467 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:49 am to
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I have not ever understood why society went against what had deterred such behavior historically. Maybe if one follows the money ........


Part of it is the moral issue of killing someone, even a loser
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
25297 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:51 am to
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Part of it is the moral issue of killing someone, even a loser


Almost all of it is relative to women being allowed to vote.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
38306 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:54 am to
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Those costs are already baked in the budget cakes.

They most certainly are not

Unless you’re suggesting local DA’s are squirreling away seven figures yearly on the off chance a capital case comes in.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
38306 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:56 am to
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Fifteen million extra per year? Nah. Thats exaggeration. The judges, assistant DAs, the indigent defenders, the clerks are all already salaried. Some experts cost extra, but not millions extra.

You are wrong. DA’s in Louisiana routinely go with second degree murder and leave first and/or the death penalty off the table simply because death penalty cases are insanely expensive and they don’t have the budget or resources for it
This post was edited on 6/28/26 at 9:00 am
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
118017 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:57 am to
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I don’t understand why these guys are on death row for so long.

Years ago a lawyer I knew gave me an interesting explanation. The short version: 'Actual executions have become rare for decades. So, if you are a defense attorney and your client is actually executed, it's a stigma against you for the rest of your career. So, you do everything you can to keep them alive for the sake of your reputation.'
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80776 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 9:03 am to
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Unless you’re suggesting local DA’s are squirreling away seven figures yearly on the off chance a capital case comes in
Nope. Im saying they are pulling those numbers based on what's already being paid to the judges, DA, indigent defenders, clerks etc. and taking the time they spend on a death penalty case and calling those the costs. The cases take more time, but that only delays a bunch of violent felons being allowed to plea bargain their cases to time served. Notice how the state budget cost report to house death row inmates is much lower than the estimates by anti-death penalty "researchers." Most, if not all of these cost studies are performed by anti-death penalty advocates.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80776 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 9:04 am to
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 DA’s in Louisiana routinely go with second degree murder and leave first and/or the death penalty off the table simply because death penalty cases are insanely expensive and they don’t have the budget or resources for it
DAs rarely take anything to trial. 90% or more cases are plea deals.
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