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re: Let just be honest on why Republicans deny climate change
Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:14 pm to Dale51
Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:14 pm to Dale51
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Neither is "consensus". Don't you agree?
in the sense that it's not 100%, sure. an overwhelming majority recognize anthropogenic effects. even the credible scientists that don't agree with the IPCC models recognize that we play a role (most say something along the lines of "measurable but not significant in the big picture".
hell even Trumps new EPA chief said "I do believe climate change is real" ... "I do believe that people have an impact on the climate."
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Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:23 pm to bmy
quote:
hell even Trumps new EPA chief said "I do believe climate change is real" ... "I do believe that people have an impact on the climate."
100% correct.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 9:11 pm to bmy
quote:
in the sense that it's not 100%, sure. an overwhelming majority recognize anthropogenic effects. even the credible scientists that don't agree with the IPCC models recognize that we play a role (most say something along the lines of "measurable but not significant in the big picture".
I don’t think many people here would disagree with you on this. It’s how you get from that to the ridiculous requirements of the Paris accord and fear mongering
You can’t answer the following questions with any type of certainty:
How much are humans effecting the climate?
How much can we effect the climate?
How much do we need to reduce emissions to prevent catastrophe?
What is the ideal temperature of the earth?
How can this be “settled science” if you can’t answer those questions?
Why is that so hard to understand
Posted on 9/14/18 at 9:43 pm to bmy
quote:
hell even Trumps new EPA chief said "I do believe climate change is real" ... "I do believe that people have an impact on the climate."
So what?
How does that balance with the "Climate change is a really important thing that we must address"..or something along those lines?
Posted on 9/14/18 at 10:29 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:This. There are many far worse more acute pollution problems than "climate change" even if one buys into the doomsdayers.
Every penny we spend on AGW propaganda is one we don't spend on real and solvable pollution reduction, or green efforts such as reforestation.
But let's be honest... it's not really about having a clean healthy environment. It's about gaining money and power.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 10:34 pm to bmy
quote:The OP has dodged every science-based argument in this thread. And cited his own lack of knowledge in the field. His self-proclaimed expertise... is parroting others.
republicans taking an antiscience position
The idea that "republicans" are somehow hte only ones holding "antiscience" positions is both silly and false.
The OP likely isnt' capabale of labeling even a simplified control volume of a slice of the atmosphere--yet it hasn't stopped him from having an opinion. But that's all he has. An opinon. He's not making a scientific argument as he'd like us to believe. He's just a parrot.
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 9/14/18 at 10:39 pm to Fourteen28
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If climate change is real, that means more regulation on pollution which means a shift away from fossil fuel production. I wish Republicans would just grow a pair and admit "we're ok with pollution if it creates jobs" rather than denying it exists altogether.
ETA: I'm talking about human contribution to climate change
When we pulled out of the climate accords the US ended up reaching the benchmarks in it years ahead of schedule. In fact, we were the only country to meet their proposed benchmarks at all.
Puzzle me that.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:29 pm to Taxing Authority
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The idea that "republicans" are somehow hte only ones holding "antiscience" positions is both silly and false.
What, are you one of those Neanderthals who think having a dick makes you a male?
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:32 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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You can’t answer the following questions with any type of certainty:
How much are humans effecting the climate?
How much can we effect the climate?
How much do we need to reduce emissions to prevent catastrophe?
What is the ideal temperature of the earth?
How can this be “settled science” if you can’t answer those questions?
Why is that so hard to understand
I understand it just fine. Politicians on both sides did a great job protecting their favored industries to enrich themselves.
If a handful of climate scientists publish meaningful papers every few years.. some will be miss, some will be useless, and one or two might discover something that moves the field forward. But politicians, journalists, political activists, and people in general come across snippets of research and act like it's some major victory when the scientist was wrong (or right).. despite being completely ignorant about the process of science.
Without incentives (funding, publishing rights, regulatory requirements) to encourage scientists to engage in peer review.. you end up with a shitshow where competing ideas end up in limbo and funding is available/unavailable depending on which politicians are calling the shots.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:49 pm to Fourteen28
Progs are in truth effeminate masochists. The op has at least 12 pages worth of beat-off blisters that you all have given her. Hopefully this will tide her over until she can create a new alter.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:55 pm to Fourteen28
250 down votes and climbing. Impressive
Posted on 9/15/18 at 12:01 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
The OP has dodged every science-based argument in this thread. And cited his own lack of knowledge in the field. His self-proclaimed expertise... is parroting others.
The idea that "republicans" are somehow hte only ones holding "antiscience" positions is both silly and false.
The OP likely isnt' capabale of labeling even a simplified control volume of a slice of the atmosphere--yet it hasn't stopped him from having an opinion. But that's all he has. An opinon. He's not making a scientific argument as he'd like us to believe. He's just a parrot.
Time to use the OP’s own image against him:
I’ll judge someone’s intellect on a topic when they can point to facts and argue in their OWN words, not resort to google > copy > paste for every single belief they hold (like the OP).
I’m still not convinced it’s not an ebbandflow alter, based off the responses in other threads.
Posted on 9/15/18 at 12:59 am to Fourteen28
How did the last ice age end?
Posted on 9/15/18 at 3:51 am to Chimlim
They get washed up on shore with the rest of the trash in the ocean.
Posted on 9/15/18 at 6:06 am to Fourteen28
Pollution is real. Any idea why the cancer rates along the chemical corridor between BR and NO are some the highest in the US. I am for balanced energy with fossil fuels - especially natural gas - and also think that we need to embrace the green and energy technologies for both environmental improvement and the massive economic opportunity. What is astounding, is the large number of you and the WH that just dismissed the scientific evidence that pollution and corresponding effect on climate are myths. Make the Republican Party, the stupid party on this issue. BTW, no such thing as clean coal.
Posted on 9/15/18 at 6:10 am to Geauxst Writer
Annnnnd another one that didn't read the thread that comes in with sweeping generalizations.
I think everyone is against "pollution" and several state as much verbatim in this thread...
I think everyone is against "pollution" and several state as much verbatim in this thread...
Posted on 9/15/18 at 6:23 am to bmy
quote:
I understand it just fine. Politicians on both sides did a great job protecting their favored industries to enrich themselves. If a handful of climate scientists publish meaningful papers every few years.. some will be miss, some will be useless, and one or two might discover something that moves the field forward. But politicians, journalists, political activists, and people in general come across snippets of research and act like it's some major victory when the scientist was wrong (or right).. despite being completely ignorant about the process of science. Without incentives (funding, publishing rights, regulatory requirements) to encourage scientists to engage in peer review.. you end up with a shitshow where competing ideas end up in limbo and funding is available/unavailable depending on which politicians are calling the shots.
This has some truth to it, but nowhere in your response do you address my questions.
The questions you can’t answer are exactly why people here do not think it’s a “settled science”. When we hear the words “settled science and you can’t answer those questions we are immediately suspicious of anything else you say or claim.
I’m just trying to explain why republicans act the way they do. So I’ll ask the questions again...
quote:
How much are humans effecting the climate? How much can we effect the climate? How much do we need to reduce emissions to prevent catastrophe? What is the ideal temperature of the earth?
Posted on 9/15/18 at 6:27 am to jnethe1
quote:It didn't.
How did the last ice age end?
Posted on 9/15/18 at 6:32 am to WaWaWeeWa
I haven't read all of this thread but I'm hoping SOMEONE has pointed out that even if one accepts every prognostication regarding climate change, the solutions proposed by the left are asinine and insane. Even most climate scientists say that we are past the point of being able to stop climate change. So, at this point, most lefist solutions look like people in a boat with an unpluggable hole choosing to stick their fingers in the hole rather than simply dedicating their efforts to their plan once the boat sinks.
We aren't going to "conserve" our way out of the problem. We aren't going to regulate our way out of it. We are going to do what humans THROUGHOUT HISTORY have done when the environment worked against them. We are going to INNOVATE our way out of the problem and no, that doesn't mean that Washington DC is going to innovate our way out of it, WE will. Like we ALWAYS have.
Except, in this case, Washington DC and other similarly stupid leftists think they can centrally plan innovation! Worse, DC wants to steal resources that typically would be used towards innovation. WORSE, DC wants to stifle the engine that generates those resources. It's fricking insane.
By the way, I don't mean "innovate out of it" as in, we'll stop it. When the oceans flooded cities after the last mini ice age, humans didn't stop the floods, they fricking moved.
We act like we have some inalienable birthright to the exact climate of the last say, 50 years.............FOREVER.
Well Earth has NEVER granted us that. It ain't gonna start now.
We aren't going to "conserve" our way out of the problem. We aren't going to regulate our way out of it. We are going to do what humans THROUGHOUT HISTORY have done when the environment worked against them. We are going to INNOVATE our way out of the problem and no, that doesn't mean that Washington DC is going to innovate our way out of it, WE will. Like we ALWAYS have.
Except, in this case, Washington DC and other similarly stupid leftists think they can centrally plan innovation! Worse, DC wants to steal resources that typically would be used towards innovation. WORSE, DC wants to stifle the engine that generates those resources. It's fricking insane.
By the way, I don't mean "innovate out of it" as in, we'll stop it. When the oceans flooded cities after the last mini ice age, humans didn't stop the floods, they fricking moved.
We act like we have some inalienable birthright to the exact climate of the last say, 50 years.............FOREVER.
Well Earth has NEVER granted us that. It ain't gonna start now.
This post was edited on 9/15/18 at 6:34 am
Posted on 9/15/18 at 6:38 am to Geauxst Writer
quote:What a novel premise.
Pollution is real.
Here is another: CO2 is not a pollutant.
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