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re: Leftist conedians and other pundits routinely say Trump looks like an orangutan

Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:01 am to
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154591 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:01 am to
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Ape is


Holy shite. You believe Ape is the same thing as a particular race.

Who's the racist again?
Posted by Yak
DuPage County
Member since May 2014
4672 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:01 am to
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bullshite!


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Are you intimating that before this episode most Americans were aware of the color of Jarrett's parents?
I'm just stating what I read
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
84355 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:12 am to
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I don't really get this comparison.

There is a double standard with media outrage.

This isn't a particularly good example of it.

Comparing black people to primates to challenge their personhood is an actual thing. It makes all the sense in the world that people would react particularly harshly to that, and that the same would not be equally true for calling Trump an orangutan.



Exactly. Blacks were considered to be an ape that was just below human. Human-like, but less sophisticated, less intelligent, and barbaric. Science even classified them as such, and it was used to justify being their superiors and stewards.

The two aren't comparable.

ETA: That being said, I want to know if Roseanne knew Valerie was black. I didn't. I think her intent does matter but in my opinion but I couldn't blame others for not believing her if she denies knowing.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 11:17 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135566 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:15 am to
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This is a better than average politically informed group
fricking just stop already
No. You "fricking just stop already!"
Wake up!

More than 40% of Americans could not even name the VP candidates a couple of weeks prior to the 2016 election.
Got it?

100% here obviously could have not only named them, but cited their views and details of their strengths/weaknesses as candidates.

Given a population where 40% don't even know who the VP candidates were, WTF percentage would have a clue as to who Jarrett was/is, much less the racial make up of her progenitors, fool?!
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:17 am to
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No. You "fricking just stop already!"
Wake up!
Sometimes P'man can't help himself and just tries too hard.

It's pretty much rock solid fact that regulars on virtually any political board you can think of............as a group.........are VASTLY more informed regarding the various players in politics than the general population.

To deny this is to be contrarian to an absurd fault.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170613 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:22 am to
Please. This place is an echo chamber. If people are saying they didn't know that she was black they're lying.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:24 am to
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Please. This place is an echo chamber.
This has nothing to do with the question at hand.

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If people are saying they didn't know that she was black they're lying.
I realize you say shite like this because no one can prove otherwise.

But I honestly had no fricking idea she was black.

In fact, it's always been harped on that she's from Iran all the time, I assumed she was Persian.

But, that's neither here nor there because I can guarantee you that if I grabbed 100 people randomly from the nearest shopping center, no better than 30% would know who the frick Jarrett even is. Much less her race.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:27 am to
I'll go one further.

I'd place 2:1 odds that if you grabbed 100 people at random and asked them what they thought of Trump's senior advisor, Valerie Jarrett, they'd give you an OPINION about her as an adviser!

I'd place those odds.....TODAY.........AFTER the controversy.

A month ago? shite. Near certainty.

And you want to sit in here and pretend that the general population would know her race?

frick. I'd place even money that Roseanne didn't know who the frick VJ was this time last year.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 11:28 am
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170613 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:34 am to
Well if they don't know who she is then of course they won't know if she's black

It's sort of implicit that if you say "they didn't know she was black" that we're going on the assumption that they at least know who she is and have seen a picture of her.

No one cares about the people that don't have any clue about her all together. That's not what this is about. You know that's not what this is about. But if you want to tag along with dishonest trash like NC be my guest.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46084 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:37 am to
Idgaf if she’s black.

She looks just like the planet of the apes chick, and it was funny. Just like the Kathy Griffin thing - people need to lighten the frick up.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170613 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:40 am to
You do understand though why it's considered offensive to compare blacks to primates?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:45 am to
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Well if they don't know who she is then of course they won't know if she's black

Which was NC's point. So, you can go back and agree with him that this board is more politically aware than the average bear.

Thanks.

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No one cares about the people that don't have any clue about her all together.
Well. Surely you acknowledge that there aren't just two groups.
1. Know VJ, who she is, what she's done and where she's from

and
2. Have no fricking idea.

There most certainly will be a healthy group of, "yeah, I think I've seen her" types.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
69518 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:46 am to
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Orangutan isn't synonymous with an entire race of people. Ape is.


Do you even read or think about the things you post? That's an impressively stupid statement.

Also, ape isn't synonymous with a race or people. It's synonymous with all people. All humans belong to the zoological familial classification known as Great Apes.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 11:48 am
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170613 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:54 am to
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There most certainly will be a healthy group of, "yeah, I think I've seen her" types.


Sure

But Roseanne would definitely be in the knows who she is and what she looks like because she was commenting on her appearance.

So if NC's point was that a lot of people don't know who she is then it's just him blowing hot air as usual. It's an irrelevant observation as it pertains to this discussion.

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:57 am to
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Sure

But Roseanne would definitely be in the knows who she is and what she looks like because she was commenting on her appearance.
Well frick. I KNOW WHAT SHE LOOKS LIKE and didn't know she was black.

I mean, now that I know it, I can see it..........but, this ain't exactly definitive.

frick. If you told me right now she was half Filipino and I didn't know better, I'd buy that too.

Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58300 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 12:12 pm to
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One has a much darker history than the other and is likely far more hurtful than the other.
i agree. Liberals have been enslaving people for centuries.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
47698 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 12:19 pm to
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I think that's fair. It's a balance between recognizing that America's history of truly abhorrent treatment of blacks isn't all that long ago


Slavery was abolished 155 years ago. No human on this planet was alive. That's 6 generations ago, which is plenty of time to stop holding it against current white people.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170613 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 12:30 pm to
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Slavery was abolished 155 years ago. No human on this planet was alive. That's 6 generations ago, which is plenty of time to stop holding it against current white people.



Sure

Which is part of why this is so ridiculous

If you're a white person in the modern era using antiquated racial references from slave days you can expect there to be some consequences. Whether you agree with it or not society doesn't tolerate comparing blacks to primates.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 12:38 pm to
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If you're a white person in the modern era using antiquated racial references from slave days you can expect there to be some consequences
I think her show being cancelled was completely foreseeable and, were I an ABC exec, she'd have been cancelled still.

The clear difference being that you also wouldn't run around describing conservatives in this shittiest ways possible and continue to work for my network either.

Because. I would, just as with the NFL, recognize that my network hopes to appeal to as wide a cross section of the population as possible and that it doesn't serve my network's interest to become clearly known as only serving SOME of them.

The problem ABC has now is, there is no avoiding that Roseanne is nowhere NEAR first in the chute. When you're a network, you have two choices in this area.

ANYTHING goes, or NOTHING goes.

If you choose SOME of it goes, then you are taking sides and your potential customers will notice.

Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
53545 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 12:41 pm to
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wrong. Orangutan isn't synonymous with an entire race of people. Ape is. You people can't be this stupid but you amaze me every day.


How is Ape synonymous with an entire race of people? Exactly which race do YOU say it's synonymous with?

And finally, explain why you say that the term "Ape" is "synonymous with an entire race of people"? Which authoritative source can you cite to support your opinion that the term "Ape" is "synonymous with an entire race of people"?

Please explain because I think you are trying to say that saying "Ape" is synonymous with saying "African-American Person", so, please clarify yourself.

This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 12:42 pm
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