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Posted on 5/30/18 at 9:55 am to Wee Bey Brice
quote:No one is calling him an orange. Get it?
Orange isn't a race...He's orange because of his tanning habits.
You feel the equation of a white men to apes is fair game? But is unfair in other instances?
Could you expound on that please?
Posted on 5/30/18 at 9:56 am to L.A.
It's not the same thing so pretending they are is dishonest.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:04 am to Pettifogger
quote:
Don't conflate the actual double standard with this abortion of a thread.
Yes, massah. I'm sorry massah.
Get fricked telling people what to do.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:05 am to roadGator
quote:
Yes, massah. I'm sorry massah.
Get fricked telling people what to do.
butthurt
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:06 am to L.A.
Because white people haven’t been historically compared to monkeys.
Next?
Next?
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:07 am to Pettifogger
You are going to have to step up your attempted insult game. Besides, I'm laughing at your demands. Is laughing considered butthurt in your circles? If so, that's very odd.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:08 am to Pettifogger
quote:
Black racism isn't common for that reason, and the attention given to that concept by conservatives is misplaced IMO.
Speaking of defending the hive yourself, I would say black racism is more prevalent than white racism these days if for no other reason the consequences for statements of racism do not carry the same penalty thus it is verbalized more. Just look at what Farrakhan said about exterminating white men the other day. What? You don't know about that? If you want a link it just goes to my point that if the "sermon" has to be hunted up due to lack of outrage and corresponding media airplay over it regardless of how overtly racist and dangerous Farrakhan's words were, he gets an outrage pass. Had a white person said the same thing they would be fired and have their career demolished. Oh that's right, a much lesser remark was made by a white person and they were destroyed within hours(Roseanne).
Bottom line, racism is wrong and unfortunately it is out there but it is not treated the same way. Until racism is handled in the same manner by anyone espousing it, there will be a rift by this double standard alone, not even addressing the issues behind the original sin of the actual racist statement(s).
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:09 am to Yak
I have no problem with labeling the comment as racist or with her losing her job as long as liberals who do the same thing are labeled as racists and lose their jobs. All I ask for is a level playing field
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:09 am to roadGator
quote:
You are going to have to step up your attempted insult game. Besides, I'm laughing at your demands. Is laughing considered butthurt in your circles? If so, that's very odd.
I'm not insulting you, I'm recognizing that your position in this thread is stupid, and when called out about it, you got all "get fricked!" about it
And
at "your demands"
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:10 am to L.A.
quote:
Many of those comedians, like DL Hughley, Wanda Sykes, and Trevor Noah are people of color. Why is that not considered racist, but Roseanne's comment is?
I'm sure it has nothing to do with people comparing blacks to primates for centuries in this country during the slavery era
The question you should be asking is how does an educated person like yourself ask suck a stupid fricking question?
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:12 am to Pettifogger
Get fricked. It's simple. You can't even agree that the double standard is bad. Because you claim it's stupid that makes it stupid. Can you go with me all over the place to make sure that I only do and say things that you consider to be less than stupid? :rollseyes: Condescending prick.
If you draw degrees of the double standard then wrong can be right. Frick that.
If you draw degrees of the double standard then wrong can be right. Frick that.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:16 am to Crimson1st
quote:
Speaking of defending the hive yourself, I would say black racism is more prevalent than white racism these days if for no other reason the consequences for statements of racism do not carry the same penalty thus it is verbalized more. Just look at what Farrakhan said about exterminating white men the other day. What? You don't know about that? If you want a link it just goes to my point that if the "sermon" has to be hunted up due to lack of outrage and corresponding media airplay over it regardless of how overtly racist and dangerous Farrakhan's words were, he gets an outrage pass. Had a white person said the same thing they would be fired and have their career demolished. Oh that's right, a much lesser remark was made by a white person and they were destroyed within hours(Roseanne).
Farrakhan is a racist and anti-semite acknowledged by the entirety of the right and a solid swath of the left. I actually LOL'd at you "breaking" the news of Farrakhan's existence and comments. Farrakhan doesn't have a show on ABC and has been forced to operate on the fringes for a couple of decades. But despite the ridiculous of this attempt at a Farrakhan "gotcha", if you want to bolster your claim you might include the fact that media shielded a photo of Obama and Farrakhan for the better part of a decade, or that the Women's March organizers continue to refuse to condemn Farrakhan. It's irrelevant to this dumb discussion about monkeys and it doesn't do anything to support the proposition that black racism is a big problem, but it does show the double standard in media when it comes to racism.
quote:
Bottom line, racism is wrong and unfortunately it is out there but it is not treated the same way. Until racism is handled in the same manner by anyone espousing it, there will be a rift by this double standard alone, not even addressing the issues behind the original sin of the actual racist statement(s).
There is a double standard. But most of what's labeled "racist" by the left isn't racism. There is similarly very little racism among blacks. There is hostility, and there is dishonesty on issues of race, etc., but I don't think black racism toward whites is a subject that should get very much attention.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:17 am to roadGator
quote:
Get fricked. It's simple. You can't even agree that the double standard is bad. Because you claim it's stupid that makes it stupid. Can you go with me all over the place to make sure that I only do and say things that you consider to be less than stupid? :rollseyes: Condescending prick.
If you draw degrees of the double standard then wrong can be right. Frick that
butthurt intensifies
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:18 am to Pettifogger
quote:
butthurt intensifies
Nice.
Do melt next.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:19 am to Pettifogger
quote:
I don't really get this comparison.
There is a double standard with media outrage.
This isn't a particularly good example of it.
Comparing black people to primates to challenge their personhood is an actual thing. It makes all the sense in the world that people would react particularly harshly to that, and that the same would not be equally true for calling Trump an orangutan.
i get this and agree mostly.
but at some point it becomes a little circular--it's more offensive because it's more offensive (because it was offensive a long-assed time ago before a LOT of fundamental changes took place in this country).
i also think it's sort of a "subtle bigotry of lowered expectations" thing. Do black people really want to be held to a different standard on this still? It seems ironically paternalistic for white people to give black people a pass on this sort of thing. "Awww you're just a monkey, so you can throw verbal poop at the wall."
Obviously black people aren't any more primate than white people are.
If you believe that, then what difference does it make, ultimately?
Or at least, why should white people be LESS offended? I know, it's because (as a rule) blacks didn't own whites (in this country), but it has been many many generations since there was any statistically significant portion of the population who subjugated blacks on the basis of some blacks-are-subhuman theory (unless you include the Democrat party even today and abortionists).
At some point whites and blacks have to be able to say to one another: "I'm not a monkey; you're not a monkey; so who cares if you call me a monkey?"
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 10:20 am
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:20 am to The Spleen
quote:Same thing said to Jews after Kristallnacht.
Fair? Maybe not, but it's the reality
In short, your "reality" is unacceptable.
It is unacceptable, just as it was unacceptable in the historical context you cited.
One example neither excuses, nor justifies the other.
THAT is the reality.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:22 am to L.A.
quote:
I have no problem with labeling the comment as racist or with her losing her job as long as liberals who do the same thing are labeled as racists and lose their jobs. All I ask for is a level playing field
I just find it a little cringey that we have a mod on here who's first thought of a person comparing a black woman to an ape was not the comparison itself, but the blowback she would receive because she's "conservative"
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:24 am to McLemore
quote:
i get this and agree mostly.
but at some point it becomes a little circular--it's more offensive because it's more offensive (because it was offensive a long-assed time ago before a LOT of fundamental changes took place in this country).
I think that's fair. It's a balance between recognizing that America's history of truly abhorrent treatment of blacks isn't all that long ago, and recognizing that as a legally egalitarian society, we can't let hold on to a legacy of discrimination forever.
The sort of "feedback loop" of America's history of racism is a problem and will continue to be exploited.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:24 am to Yak
quote:
I just find it a little cringey that we have a mod on here who's first thought of a person comparing a black woman to an ape was not the comparison itself, but the blowback she would receive because she's "conservative"
Right. It's even more cringe worthy when you realize she isn't even conservative.
It's a rather odd (and by odd I mean extremely fricking stupid) position to take
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