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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 9:32 am to TutHillTiger
Posted on 7/12/25 at 9:32 am to TutHillTiger
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The Russians are a paper tiger, this war has Ben a disaster for them.
While I agree, Europe besides Poland the UK, France and Finland are an imaginary tiger.
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I know a lot of people don’t like Zlensnksy etc, but if you are former military or military scholar etc you can’t help but be impressed with the Ukrainians and their ability to fight for their country.
I am impressed by the Ukrainians their determination and ingenuity have been laudable.
My anger is towards those Europeans who shite in the US but won't lift more than a fiat currency finger for Ukraine.
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The amount of intel we are getting from this is worth 10 times what we have spent so far, and Trump is finally make the EU pony up and the Germans are back in the military equipment building business, and if you don’t think they can build great weapon systems and equipment you never studied WW2.
Agreed, Biden made a massive mistake trying to make the US shoulder the entire burden while not expanding the defense budget.
It put our troops in a not so great place.
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I want a strong Russia to be our ally against China, and I hope we eventually get that, but Putin is not going to be the leader of that Russia now.
Agreed, we messed up in the 1990s and let Russia fall into corrupt oligarchy.
Hopefully we get another chance in a post Putin world.
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Posted on 7/12/25 at 9:36 am to TutHillTiger
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Then Turkey has acted like a real peace broker to get everyone on same team so they can build pipelines and roads for them to get their oil, minerals etc to the sea for sale. A big move in everyone’s best interest.
That parts not true, Turkey pressured Armenia into being subservient to Turkey, just like they still are in Syria with no plans to leave.
Turkey is for Turkeys best interest.
Luckily they are still mostly on team NATO.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 9:47 am to cypher
Germany-funded long-range weapons to arrive in Ukraine by late July, general says
July 12, 2025 12:34 pm
Ukraine will begin receiving hundreds of domestically produced long-range weapon systems by the end of July under a German-financed agreement, German Major General Christian Freuding told the German ZDF news channel on July 11.
The weapons will be supplied in a "high triple-digit quantity," he said, referring to a deal between Ukraine's Defense Ministry and local arms producers that Berlin agreed to fund in late May.
"We need weapons systems that can reach far into the depth of Russian territory — to hit depots, command centers, airfields and aircraft," Freuding said, adding that Germany is "ready to provide such systems."
The general, who heads the Ukraine task force at the German Defense Ministry, did not specify what kind of long-range systems Germany is financing.
Ukraine is developing a number of long-range capabilities, including ballistic missiles, long-range drones, and drone-missile hybrids to strike deep inside the Russian rear amid dwindling stockpiles of Western long-range weapons.
The Ukrainian military has previously received the Storm Shadow/SCALP missiles from the U.K. and France and ATACMS from the U.S., but Germany has so far refused to supply its own Taurus cruise missiles.
Freuding did not confirm whether Berlin plans to greenlight the supply of Taurus missiles when asked by the reporter.
The general, who spoke from Kyiv, acknowledged that the battlefield situation remains "militarily tense," with Russian forces holding the initiative for "several weeks, if not months," and increased pressure on major Ukrainian cities from the air.
Ukraine has been calling on its partners to enhance its air defence capabilities, as Russia has escalated its large-scale aerial attacks on Ukrainian cities, including those far from the front line.
German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said on May 28 that Berlin would help finance the production and procurement of Ukrainian-made long-range weapons systems.
Merz made the comments during a joint press conference with President Volodymyr Zelensky in Berlin, where he also announced support for continuing Starlink satellite operations in Ukraine.
"There will be no restrictions on long-range weapons," Merz said at the time. "Ukraine will be able to fully defend itself and also strike military targets outside the territory of Ukraine."
Merz described the deal as "the beginning of a new form of military-industrial cooperation between our countries."
The Kyiv Independent
July 12, 2025 12:34 pm
Ukraine will begin receiving hundreds of domestically produced long-range weapon systems by the end of July under a German-financed agreement, German Major General Christian Freuding told the German ZDF news channel on July 11.
The weapons will be supplied in a "high triple-digit quantity," he said, referring to a deal between Ukraine's Defense Ministry and local arms producers that Berlin agreed to fund in late May.
"We need weapons systems that can reach far into the depth of Russian territory — to hit depots, command centers, airfields and aircraft," Freuding said, adding that Germany is "ready to provide such systems."
The general, who heads the Ukraine task force at the German Defense Ministry, did not specify what kind of long-range systems Germany is financing.
Ukraine is developing a number of long-range capabilities, including ballistic missiles, long-range drones, and drone-missile hybrids to strike deep inside the Russian rear amid dwindling stockpiles of Western long-range weapons.
The Ukrainian military has previously received the Storm Shadow/SCALP missiles from the U.K. and France and ATACMS from the U.S., but Germany has so far refused to supply its own Taurus cruise missiles.
Freuding did not confirm whether Berlin plans to greenlight the supply of Taurus missiles when asked by the reporter.
The general, who spoke from Kyiv, acknowledged that the battlefield situation remains "militarily tense," with Russian forces holding the initiative for "several weeks, if not months," and increased pressure on major Ukrainian cities from the air.
Ukraine has been calling on its partners to enhance its air defence capabilities, as Russia has escalated its large-scale aerial attacks on Ukrainian cities, including those far from the front line.
German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said on May 28 that Berlin would help finance the production and procurement of Ukrainian-made long-range weapons systems.
Merz made the comments during a joint press conference with President Volodymyr Zelensky in Berlin, where he also announced support for continuing Starlink satellite operations in Ukraine.
"There will be no restrictions on long-range weapons," Merz said at the time. "Ukraine will be able to fully defend itself and also strike military targets outside the territory of Ukraine."
Merz described the deal as "the beginning of a new form of military-industrial cooperation between our countries."
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 7/12/25 at 10:33 am to cypher
Gentlemen, thanks for all the war news. Gods info now.
This is what the war thread should look like.
Information. No personal attacks, no far out conspiracy theories, etc.
And if there is negative news relative to Ukraine, it should be allowed too. But no Russian propaganda please.
This is what the war thread should look like.
Information. No personal attacks, no far out conspiracy theories, etc.
And if there is negative news relative to Ukraine, it should be allowed too. But no Russian propaganda please.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 10:55 am to Narax
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we messed up in the 1990s and let Russia fall into corrupt oligarchy.
It's really none of our business how a bunch of idiots want to run their own country. The Iranians can keep their Ayatolla. NK can keep the Kims. Russia can keep their mobster oligarchs.
It only matters when they start trying to export that shite. Like invading their neighbors.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 12:28 pm to No Colors
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It's really none of our business how a bunch of idiots want to run their own country. The Iranians can keep their Ayatolla. NK can keep the Kims. Russia can keep their mobster oligarchs.
It only matters when they start trying to export that shite. Like invading their neighbors.
Russia and Iran were both major misses by the US.
Russia became VERY pro US after communism fell.
The failed privatization where communist officials connected to those able to get western loans bought up the vouchers and created the corrupt oligarch class that we know today.
Those Russians who sold their vouchers, or used them to buy the industry they worked in were robbed. We could have helped prevent that. The Russian government at the time was was open to US help.
https://tontinecoffeehouse.com/2019/09/30/russias-voucher-privatization/
That was the mistake that eventually produced Putin.
That and the Chechnya war...
In Iran we screwed up with the Shah, multiple times, from the 1950s coup, to allowing massive corruption to fester when we had huge leverage.
There is a difference between exporting democracy and writing a stupid constitution for Afghanistan that demanded women in government, and supporting our friends before they become our enemies.
This post was edited on 7/12/25 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 7/12/25 at 1:09 pm to Narax
We can not minister the world.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 2:58 pm to doubleb
The White House reaffirms control of the DoD and sends a message -
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Notable Europe & Ukraine policy provisions in the Senate's draft FY2026 National Defense Authorization Act, including an authorized increase in military aid funding:
The Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative is extended through 2028 and an increased amount of $500 million is authorized, compared to $300 million annually in the past several years. HASC authorized $300 million and the budget request was for $0.
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DoD is directed to establish a depot-level maintenance plan for all of Ukraine's western supplied equipment, and Sec Def is required to continue intelligence cooperation with Ukraine. Security cooperation with Ukraine is reaffirmed as US policy. [That's for you, Tulsi]
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Sec Def is required to report on options to accelerate the JUMPSTART program, through which third party countries can finance Foreign Military Sales for Ukraine. ["Thank you Sweet Jesus" - the US MIC.] This synergizes with the latest policy deliberations in the White House on this topic.
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Directs Sec Def to consider which NATO allies have credible plans to get to 5% of GDP on defense as a factor in determining future US military basing and training agreements.
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Prohibits a reduction in US military posture in Europe or relinquishment of SACEUR unless SecDef certifies to Congress that it is in US national security interests, and directs CJCS & SACEUR to conduct an independent assessment of any such changes.
The White House sends a not-so-subtle message... It's not the money so much as it's 500 million frick You Hegseth's and 500 million frick You Colby's. Meanwhile that profound silence we hear is coming from Tulsi Gabbard, who is wearing beige and sitting very quietly in the back row.
LINK
Posted on 7/12/25 at 3:31 pm to Narax
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The failed privatization where communist officials connected to those able to get western loans bought up the vouchers and created the corrupt oligarch class that we know today.
Those Russians who sold their vouchers, or used them to buy the industry they worked in were robbed. We could have helped prevent that. The Russian government at the time was was open to US help.
LINK
That was the mistake that eventually produced Putin.
That and the Chechnya war...
A CA biz friend set up a luxury car import company in Russia right after the fall of the USSR. He did well the first year. The second year all of his imports were "legally" stolen. This was done by former NKVD and KGB agents who could produce forgeries of any paper document with ease and on the correct paper.
Privatization was going to be stolen by the oligarchs/NKVD/KGB. It was inevitable. The sad part is that we funded their revitalization of their oil and gas industry.
This wasn't any different than two brothers from Akron who formed Rauh Rubber in the late 1970's They had a successful rubber compounding biz and decided to take China by storm in the 1990's and lost everything, Tom and Joe Rauh dropped out of college in the early 70's after their father died. Dad had handshake deals on rubber processing technology and those died when he did. Money dried up for them so them went to work with railroad jacks and bought used rubber processing equipment which they removed to sell then to build their own business. The Chinese stole everything from them, "legally". They did come back as a plastics compounder by developing and selling plastic alloys for the car parts industry but nearly as big as they had been in the rubber business.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 3:52 pm to CitizenK
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A CA biz friend set up a luxury car import company in Russia right after the fall of the USSR. He did well the first year. The second year all of his imports were "legally" stolen. This was done by former NKVD and KGB agents who could produce forgeries of any paper document with ease and on the correct paper.
So on brand for the Soviets...
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Privatization was going to be stolen by the oligarchs/NKVD/KGB. It was inevitable. The sad part is that we funded their revitalization of their oil and gas industry.
It's amazing how the few who benefited from communism...
Looted the country when it fell.
They had all the financial records of each industry and were able to buy them out for fractional values with western loans.
When you consider those post soviet issues, Ukraine did really well for starting in the same place.
Their corruption at least didn't turn into the actual state.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 3:54 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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Sec Def is required to report on options to accelerate the JUMPSTART program, through which third party countries can finance Foreign Military Sales for Ukraine. ["Thank you Sweet Jesus" - the US MIC.] This synergizes with the latest policy deliberations in the White House on this topic.
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Directs Sec Def to consider which NATO allies have credible plans to get to 5% of GDP on defense as a factor in determining future US military basing and training agreements.
Nice
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Prohibits a reduction in US military posture in Europe or relinquishment of SACEUR unless SecDef certifies to Congress that it is in US national security interests, and directs CJCS & SACEUR to conduct an independent assessment of any such changes.
To me this is what America first looks like.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 4:32 pm to Narax
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When you consider those post soviet issues, Ukraine did really well for starting in the same place.
In the 1990's in both Russia and Ukraine, manufacturing companies of consumer goods like furniture, pots and pans often gave what them made to employees in lieu of wages
Posted on 7/12/25 at 5:25 pm to CitizenK
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In the 1990's in both Russia and Ukraine, manufacturing companies of consumer goods like furniture, pots and pans often gave what them made to employees in lieu of wages
Quite interesting!
I've read up a bit on post soviet Russian Privatization, but nothing on Ukraine's post Soviet Privatization.
Are you aware of anything different between their approaches?
Posted on 7/12/25 at 5:36 pm to cypher
Ukraine destroys Russian drone unit after Kherson infant killed, child 'should never have been a target,' governor says
July 12, 2025 8:54 pm
Ukrainian soldiers successfully destroyed a crew of Russian drone operators with FPV drones, those directly involved in the fatal attack on a child in Kherson Oblast on July 9, Ukraine's General Staff reported on July 12.
The attack which struck the village of Pravdyne in Kherson Oblast killed a one-year-old boy named Dmytro and injured his grandmother. The strike was carried out by a Russian kamikaze drone of the Molniya type, which directly hit the courtyard of a residential building.
The southern Ukrainian city of Kherson and its surrounding region has frequently come under Russian fire since Ukrainian forces liberated the city from occupation in November 2022. Russian troops continue to routinely attack the area with artillery and drones from across the Dnipro River.
Following the attack, intelligence from the Defense Forces of Ukraine established that the drone had been launched from the occupied city of Hola Prystan.
During a subsequent operation, the Ukrainian military identified the Russian drone operating crew's precise location: a five-story non-residential building situated in the center of Hola Prystan. Intelligence determined that the drones had been launched from within this structure.
The Ukrainian military deployed five FPV drones, four of which precisely impacted the target, according to the General Staff. Post-operation monitoring has revealed no further drone launches originating from the facility.
Regional Governor Oleksandr Prokudin responded to the operation on July 12: "Dmytro should never have been a target. I thank our soldiers for their just retribution. No occupier who brought death and destruction to our land will escape punishment."
A May report by the United Nation's Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine concluded that Russian armed forces have committed crimes against humanity through drone attacks in Kherson Oblast.
The commission found these attacks, which began in July 2024, deliberately targeted civilians in a widespread and systematic manner, part of a coordinated state policy to terrorize and forcibly depopulate the area.
These findings, based on extensive evidence, highlighted that nearly 150 civilians, including children, have been killed and hundreds wounded in strikes on Kherson city and 16 surrounding localities, with protected targets like ambulances also hit.
"The recurrent drone attacks, the widely disseminated videos showing them, and numerous posts explicitly exhorting the population to leave suggest a coordinated state policy, on the part of the Russian authorities, to force the population of Kherson Province to leave the area," the report said.
The Kyiv Independent
July 12, 2025 8:54 pm
Ukrainian soldiers successfully destroyed a crew of Russian drone operators with FPV drones, those directly involved in the fatal attack on a child in Kherson Oblast on July 9, Ukraine's General Staff reported on July 12.
The attack which struck the village of Pravdyne in Kherson Oblast killed a one-year-old boy named Dmytro and injured his grandmother. The strike was carried out by a Russian kamikaze drone of the Molniya type, which directly hit the courtyard of a residential building.
The southern Ukrainian city of Kherson and its surrounding region has frequently come under Russian fire since Ukrainian forces liberated the city from occupation in November 2022. Russian troops continue to routinely attack the area with artillery and drones from across the Dnipro River.
Following the attack, intelligence from the Defense Forces of Ukraine established that the drone had been launched from the occupied city of Hola Prystan.
During a subsequent operation, the Ukrainian military identified the Russian drone operating crew's precise location: a five-story non-residential building situated in the center of Hola Prystan. Intelligence determined that the drones had been launched from within this structure.
The Ukrainian military deployed five FPV drones, four of which precisely impacted the target, according to the General Staff. Post-operation monitoring has revealed no further drone launches originating from the facility.
Regional Governor Oleksandr Prokudin responded to the operation on July 12: "Dmytro should never have been a target. I thank our soldiers for their just retribution. No occupier who brought death and destruction to our land will escape punishment."
A May report by the United Nation's Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine concluded that Russian armed forces have committed crimes against humanity through drone attacks in Kherson Oblast.
The commission found these attacks, which began in July 2024, deliberately targeted civilians in a widespread and systematic manner, part of a coordinated state policy to terrorize and forcibly depopulate the area.
These findings, based on extensive evidence, highlighted that nearly 150 civilians, including children, have been killed and hundreds wounded in strikes on Kherson city and 16 surrounding localities, with protected targets like ambulances also hit.
"The recurrent drone attacks, the widely disseminated videos showing them, and numerous posts explicitly exhorting the population to leave suggest a coordinated state policy, on the part of the Russian authorities, to force the population of Kherson Province to leave the area," the report said.
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 7/12/25 at 5:48 pm to Narax
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Are you aware of anything different between their approaches?
Russians are sheeple.
The Orange Revolution was about getting away from Russian oligarch control.
This post was edited on 7/12/25 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 7/12/25 at 7:44 pm to Narax
NARAX, you are a brother from an another mother, we obviously think alike and I defer to you on the Turkey shite.
My main point there is that the Russian sphere of influence no longer includes this critical area. And that pipeline to the Mediterranean they have always wanted is further away than ever.
My main point there is that the Russian sphere of influence no longer includes this critical area. And that pipeline to the Mediterranean they have always wanted is further away than ever.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 8:21 pm to TutHillTiger
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NARAX, you are a brother from an another mother, we obviously think alike and I defer to you on the Turkey shite.
I know a number of vocal Armenians, they are ranting about this now.
The same way the Russia had the Holodomor, Turkey had the 2x Armenian Genocide.
In both cases the people who are under the thumb, of the more powerful country that killed many of their people, will try to survive, they will make agreements that they hate, and bide their time.
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My main point there is that the Russian sphere of influence no longer includes this critical area. And that pipeline to the Mediterranean they have always wanted is further away than ever.
Fully agreed this is a huge sign of Russian weakness.
They could have also kept the Assad regime going in Syria if their military wasn't stretched too thin.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 8:34 pm to Narax
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They could have also kept the Assad regime going in Syria if their military wasn't stretched too thin.
and economy
Posted on 7/12/25 at 8:43 pm to CitizenK
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Privatization was going to be stolen by the oligarchs/NKVD/KGB. It was inevitable. The sad part is that we funded their revitalization of their oil and gas industry.
The good news is that Russia is now dependent on American parts.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 10:41 pm to doubleb
I’m just curious as I haven't had time to really follow along lately with work and life in general but when/why did this get changed from the OT to the political board? What was the final number of pages in posts?
This post was edited on 7/12/25 at 10:42 pm
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