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Trump complained about not receiving Nobel Peace Prize during meeting with Zelenskyy – WP

20 October, 18:09

US President Donald Trump reportedly "went on and on" complaining about not receiving the Nobel Peace Prize during his meeting with his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelenskyy at the White House last week.

Source: The Washington Post, citing sources, as reported by European Pravda

Quote: "A European diplomat briefed on the White House meeting described the meeting as a mess and said Trump also 'went on and on' about 'his grievances of not having got the Nobel Peace Prize'."

Details: Regarding the war, Trump's message was that "Russia only wants Donbas and this is a good deal and Putin wants to end the war and it can be done quickly".

Meanwhile, Trump left the meeting with Zelenskyy calling for a ceasefire along the current front line – a stance that the Ukrainian president has endorsed.

When later asked whether he had urged Zelenskyy to give up Donbas, Trump replied that he had not.

Background:

Zelenskyy said that during the meeting with Trump, he explained that Ukraine's stance on not retreating from the non-occupied parts of its eastern oblasts remains unchanged.
The White House criticised the Nobel Committee, saying it places "politics over peace" after Trump did not receive this year's Peace Prize.

Ukrainska Pravda

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Not the United States problem.



That's exactly how the U.S. felt in 1938, 1939, 1940 and for 11 months in 1941.

As Yogi Berra said, "It's deja vu all over again..."

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I love how these isolationist types just think an emboldened and larger Russia and/or China will just stay in their lane/sphere and not go for the gold.

They will exploit the hatred and resentment of the US south of our border to screw with us... and at present, we are helping grow that hatred and resentment by supporting hated dictators and other things.

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Orban is underwater ahead of the upcoming election. His corruption is the issue.

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He'll win with only 70% of the vote as opposed to 85%... the "Lukashenko popularity drop," so it seems legit.

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This whole idea of a meeting might be to try to salvage Orban from being defeated in 2026. His popularity has fallen quite a bit over the last few years.

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Only 27% of Hungarians say that "Russia is no threat to them at all". Over 60% say they are either a major threat or at least a minor threat. Not sure how this meeting would really help him, tbh.

Only 10% of Hungarians said Russia should be the nation Hungary cooperates with the most. The majority said Germany or the USA.

Only 41% of right wing Hungarians view Russia favorably.

All of these numbers per Pew research.

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I bet most Hungarians know Russian tanks rolled into Budapest. I’m not surprised about the numbers you posted. I’d even think they would be higher.

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A pipeline was planned to connect Hungary with TAPS, Trans Adriatic Pipeline System to get natural gas from Azerbaijan. It has not been approved for more than 15 years.

Russian occupation left a lot of bitter memories in all of Eastern Europe.

An example of corruption under Orban is that Hungary received a grant from the EU to build a "sky walkway" to view a forest from the tree tops. It was built in a field without a single tree.

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Only 27% of Hungarians say that "Russia is no threat to them at all". Over 60% say they are either a major threat or at least a minor threat. Not sure how this meeting would really help him, tbh.

Only 10% of Hungarians said Russia should be the nation Hungary cooperates with the most. The majority said Germany or the USA.

Only 41% of right wing Hungarians view Russia favorably.

All of these numbers per Pew research.

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The question is not whether Orban will win (he'll make sure that he does) it's whether there will be a revolt or not when he does no matter how unpopular he is...

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That happened at a time when almost every political "expert" preached that Gorbachev would send in the troops to shut down the flight to freedom

When he didn't do that, it was the first real indication that the USSR was toast.

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Gorbachev was pretty much ordered to do that by the party... and he refused.

His entire reformist political project was based on "if our way is better, we can prove it and the people will see it and choose it."

Their way, of course, was not better... they couldn't prove it, everyone could see that it wasn't better, and the Eastern Bloc countries wanted out (Russians revolted by just not doing anything in their jobs...)

And you'll remember right after he just gave it up, refusing to use force to stop the collapse of the Soviet Union, the old-hardliners tried to stage a coup... it's just that the military had all just walked away from being in the military by that point, so they had no muscle beyond inside the Kremlin

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If Russia wants to help Orban stay in power they will do it, they don't need to stage any peace talks in Hungary for that.

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