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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 12:39 pm to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 9/22/25 at 12:39 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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Of all the problems facing the GOP in the Midterms, Putin is the biggest. He’s absolutely killing TACO’s reputation as a leader.
Ukraine won't even be a top 5 issue in the Midterms. Probably not even top 10.
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Posted on 9/22/25 at 12:41 pm to Lee B
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So, conversely, if the West and Eastern Europe aren't preparing for the possibility of Russia engaging in a wider war, they're fools.
Are you familiar with an organization called NATO? It was actually created for that specific purpose many years ago. So they have already prepared, glad I could clear that up
Posted on 9/22/25 at 12:43 pm to Leopold
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An old friend that I met at EDC and lives in Saint Petersburg
GODDAMNIT BARRON YOU YUTZ
YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO ADMIT YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS LIVE IN RUSSIA
Where is LSURussian to complain about stalking and how it is against the site's rules? Weren't we doing that a few days ago?
Posted on 9/22/25 at 12:52 pm to doubleb
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It's “a pointless war”, but it’s all Ukraine’s fault?
I'm tired of the Oliver Stone/Russia Today talking points regurgitated by the Tucker followers...
"Ukrainians were mean to Russians in Ukraine! So Russia had a reason to seize the Donbas."
So... Americans are mean to Mexicans in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona... all territories that used to be part of Mexico...
This post was edited on 9/22/25 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 9/22/25 at 12:53 pm to Lee B
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"Ukrainians were mean to Russians in Ukraine! So Russia had a reason to seize the Donbas."
So... Americans are mean to Mexicans in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona... all territories that used to be part of Mexico...
Mexico can feel free to try to take it back
Posted on 9/22/25 at 12:57 pm to VolSquatch
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Are you familiar with an organization called NATO? It was actually created for that specific purpose many years ago. So they have already prepared, glad I could clear that up
Have they? Because I keep reading here that Europe was not taking its NATO responsibilities seriously and needs to step it up...
Also, NATO's preparations are why Russia had to invade Ukraine, apparently
Posted on 9/22/25 at 12:59 pm to Lee B
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Have they? Because I keep reading here that Europe was not taking its NATO responsibilities seriously and needs to step it up...
Two things can be true:
1) Europe needs to take more responsibility for its own destiny. They are taking steps in that direction.
2) Even before that NATO still would have absolutely wrecked Russia in any conflict, and would today as well.
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Also, NATO's preparations are why Russia had to invade Ukraine, apparently
Well its certainly used to attempt to justify it
Posted on 9/22/25 at 1:06 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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Of all the problems facing the GOP in the Midterms, Putin is the biggest
Not even close. It will be the economy and 4th quarter profits are not looking good at all this year. Agriculture looks like it will be especially hard hit.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 1:12 pm to VolSquatch
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2) Even before that NATO still would have absolutely wrecked Russia in any conflict, and would today as well.
I agree... and few "military experts" that I've seen think otherwise...
but what if Trump ignores Article 5 being invoked? So NATO's major force just takes a neutral stance? Would the alliance then collapse?
It seems Putin thinks that is what would happen and is planning to test it... or maybe he isn't, but I wouldn't just wait to see, I'd prepare for it.
And if Putin does attack Poland of the Baltic states, I think they will immediately launch an all out war in response and reign missiles down on Moscow (which Ukraine has demonstrated will get through)...
And there's those who question (and fear) whether Trump would officially join Putin's side in a wider war... because he never makes any sense when it comes to Putin for whatever reason.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 1:13 pm to Lee B
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Ukrainians were mean to Russians in Ukraine! So Russia had a reason to seize the Donbas."
You are calling bombing and killing innocent civilians in the Donbas an act of being "mean"?
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So... Americans are mean to Mexicans in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona... all territories that used to be part of Mexico...
Can you post a link showing the U.S. Military bombing and killing Mexicans in those states? Thanks for your attention to this matter
Posted on 9/22/25 at 1:17 pm to John Barron
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You are calling bombing and killing innocent civilians in the Donbas an act of being "mean"?
The US also had a civil war and yes both sides were “mean” and civilians died. Thankfully no outsiders joined in and the war came to a conclusion after four bloody years.
Too bad that didn’t happen in the Donbas thanks to Putin.
This post was edited on 9/22/25 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 9/22/25 at 1:18 pm to cypher
Posted on 9/22/25 at 1:20 pm to CitizenK
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Of all the problems facing the GOP in the Midterms, Putin is the biggest
Not even close. It will be the economy and 4th quarter profits are not looking good at all this year. Agriculture looks like it will be especially hard hit.
Yep... the vast majority of American voters do not pay any attention to current events and vote based on how pissed they are from the last grocery store trip and the overdraft fees they get in the mail and whether layoffs and unemployment are screwing their area or there's a big recession or economic collapse.
The only thing that supercedes that is something else that directly derails their daily lives... declaring a war sometimes produces a surge in patriotism, but when family, friends and neighbors die or come back wounded physically or mentally, it causes anger.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 1:23 pm to John Barron
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You are calling bombing and killing innocent civilians in the Donbas an act of being "mean"?
Can you post a link showing the bombing and killing of Russians in the Donbas BEFORE Russia armed separatists to bomb and kill Ukrainians (and of course not from one your Russian source sites)? Thanks for your attention to this matter
Posted on 9/22/25 at 1:24 pm to doubleb
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The US also had a civil war and yes both sides were “mean” and civilians died.
In a time period where a guy could leave home with his hunting rifle and fight in a battle basically as soon as he arrived at his assignment.
Donbas is probably closer to something like The Troubles in Ireland than the US Civil War, and that isn't even a good comparison either.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 1:24 pm to cypher
Counteroffensive near Dobropillia: Russians falter on logistics, reinforcements fail to help
22.09.2025 20:58
Armed Forces strikes are destroying Russian logistics near Dobropillia, causing the Russians to lose ground there.
According to a Ukrinform correspondent, this was reported on television by Viktor Trehubov, spokesman for the Dnipro operational-strategic group of troops, when answering questions about the details of the counteroffensive operation in the Dobropillia direction.
"They infiltrated in small groups through the first line of Ukrainian defense, and then combined these small groups with a larger group, occupied positions, and tried to break through. Then they tried to fortify what they had already captured and bring in reinforcements. At some point at this stage, they began to fail — thanks to effective countermeasures, we began to strike them, which began to destroy their logistics, and they began to gradually lose their positions. This continues to this day," he said.
Trehubov noted that the Russians “stretched their troops too thin on the front line.” They are also currently unable to provide sufficient supplies.
According to the spokesman, the Russians tried to send reinforcements, but these actions were unsuccessful.
"They actually have to push through a ‘bottleneck,’ which is not very convenient for them. This is where they failed: the passage they left for themselves turned out to be too narrow. And when they try to bring in some equipment or establish supplies, they are attacked from both sides," he said.
As reported by Ukrinform, over the past day, Ukrainian troops regained control of 1.3 km² and conducted a search and destroy operation against the enemy on an area of 2.1 km² in the Pokrovsk district of Donetsk region.
Ukrinform
22.09.2025 20:58
Armed Forces strikes are destroying Russian logistics near Dobropillia, causing the Russians to lose ground there.
According to a Ukrinform correspondent, this was reported on television by Viktor Trehubov, spokesman for the Dnipro operational-strategic group of troops, when answering questions about the details of the counteroffensive operation in the Dobropillia direction.
"They infiltrated in small groups through the first line of Ukrainian defense, and then combined these small groups with a larger group, occupied positions, and tried to break through. Then they tried to fortify what they had already captured and bring in reinforcements. At some point at this stage, they began to fail — thanks to effective countermeasures, we began to strike them, which began to destroy their logistics, and they began to gradually lose their positions. This continues to this day," he said.
Trehubov noted that the Russians “stretched their troops too thin on the front line.” They are also currently unable to provide sufficient supplies.
According to the spokesman, the Russians tried to send reinforcements, but these actions were unsuccessful.
"They actually have to push through a ‘bottleneck,’ which is not very convenient for them. This is where they failed: the passage they left for themselves turned out to be too narrow. And when they try to bring in some equipment or establish supplies, they are attacked from both sides," he said.
As reported by Ukrinform, over the past day, Ukrainian troops regained control of 1.3 km² and conducted a search and destroy operation against the enemy on an area of 2.1 km² in the Pokrovsk district of Donetsk region.
Ukrinform
Posted on 9/22/25 at 1:27 pm to doubleb
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Thankfully no outsiders joined in
Incorrect
"Several foreign powers were involved indirectly through diplomacy, economic support, arms sales, shipbuilding, and individual volunteers. Below is a summary of the most notable foreign involvements, based on historical records:Major European PowersUnited Kingdom (Britain): Remained officially neutral but provided significant indirect support to the Confederacy, including building and outfitting warships like the CSS Alabama.
British public opinion was divided, with some sympathy for the South due to cotton trade dependencies. The Trent Affair (1861) nearly led to British intervention after Union forces seized Confederate diplomats from a British ship, but it was resolved diplomatically.
Britain also sent military observers to both sides.
France:Under Napoleon III, France considered recognizing the Confederacy and intervening alongside Britain but ultimately stayed neutral due to risks and Union diplomatic pressure.
France exploited the war to invade Mexico (1861–1867) and install a puppet emperor, which indirectly challenged U.S. influence but was not direct involvement in the Civil War itself.
French observers were also present.
Russia: Supported the Union diplomatically by sending naval fleets to New York and San Francisco in 1863 as a show of solidarity (and to evade potential revolutions at home).
This was not military intervention but boosted Union morale.
Other Notable InvolvementsSpain: Maintained neutrality but had minor diplomatic interactions, including concerns over its colonies like Cuba, which the Confederacy eyed for expansion.
Germany (Prussia and other states): No official role, but German states sent observers.
Many German immigrants fought as volunteers, primarily for the Union.
Other European Nations: Countries like Poland, Italy, Scandinavia, the Netherlands, and Portugal had limited diplomatic engagement.
Individual volunteers from these areas enlisted, especially in the Union army.
Foreign Volunteers and ImmigrantsTens of thousands of foreign-born individuals fought in the war, but as private citizens rather than official representatives of their governments.
For example:Irish and German immigrants formed large contingents in the Union Army (e.g., the Irish Brigade).
Smaller numbers from Canada, China, France, and other regions participated on both sides.
No national armies were deployed.
Overall, foreign powers monitored the conflict closely for its implications on global trade, slavery, and power balances, but avoided direct entry due to economic risks, internal politics, and Union naval blockades.
The Confederacy's "King Cotton" diplomacy failed to secure formal alliances, while Union efforts like the Emancipation Proclamation deterred European intervention by framing the war as a moral fight against slavery"
Posted on 9/22/25 at 1:37 pm to doubleb
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The US also had a civil war and yes both sides were “mean” and civilians died. Thankfully no outsiders joined in and the war came to a conclusion after four bloody years.
I saw "The Long Walk" this weekend... based on the first book Stephen King wrote in college in 1967 that was published much later. While it's undoubtedly a metaphor for Vietnam (and he says he did not do that consciously... but as a college-aged guy in 1967 there's no way that didn't dominate your subconscious) you're plunged into the story without a lot of info about the back story... you're just told that at some point there was a second Civil War in the US that has resulted in economic collapse, almost third world conditions (or... reversion to Great Depression-era conditions), and a Fascist military cabal seizing power. This has apparently been the state of things for decades. There's no time frame given but the automobiles are all from the 50s and early 60s, the clothing mostly fits that era, too... the military jeeps and trucks and half-tracks don't leave much of an impression but there are television cameras mounted on them which struck me as neing 1950s-ish. It's set in Maine and upper New England... it's bleak.
Anyway, I liked the movie... it's provocative, but I appreciated it maybe piercing this "Civil War" fantasy I see promoted in this site a lot.
You know who loses in a Civil War? Anybody with something to lose.
This post was edited on 9/22/25 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 9/22/25 at 1:45 pm to VolSquatch
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In a time period where a guy could leave home with his hunting rifle and fight in a battle basically as soon as he arrived at his assignment.
Donbas is probably closer to something like The Troubles in Ireland than the US Civil War, and that isn't even a good comparison either.
The US had a true civil war. The war in the Donbas is more of a foreign power getting involved and instigating s war than a true civil war, but my point about civilians dying because of the war is still true.
Both sides have fired thousands of shells at each other. No doubt civilians as well as combatants were killed.
But Russia entered Ukraine, helped form the rebels into a fighting force, and stood with them in the fight. Putin was the instigator.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 1:50 pm to Lee B
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Can you post a link showing the bombing and killing of Russians in the Donbas
This video has been posted multiple times in the previous War thread. CNN reported on it
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