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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 3:48 pm to doubleb
Posted on 9/22/25 at 3:48 pm to doubleb
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So were you
I didn't just call everyone who quoted a Russian on something an idiot
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And remember I called you out for being a troll? Thanks for proving me correct again.
For asking you about your own comment?
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And remember me calling you out as Barron’s wing man? Thanks for proving me correct again.
I think its pretty obvious to anyone who pays attention (or for our older folks is still capable of paying attention) that Barron and I agree on some broader points but wildly diverge on specifics, as well as how we feel about various sources of information
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Posted on 9/22/25 at 3:54 pm to John Barron
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For anyone still stupid enough to call this conflict "unprovoked", let’s be clear: in February 2014, Senator Chris Murphy, grinning alongside John McCain in Maidan Square, openly bragged that the US orchestrated the coup that ripped President Yanukovych from power, and then shoved its agenda down Ukraine’s throat with sanctions and threats.
The response you'll get to this is "Putin is the one who invaded, the responsibility is solely on him".
But they won't ask themselves, would he have invaded had this not happened?
We definitely helped with the coup. Would it have still succeeded without us? I don't know.
I will say my personal opinion on the issue is that responsibility ultimately does lie on the invader when they are invading a country for a reason that isn't existential to their country. But we (the collective west) also didn't help things along and created some conditions that made an invasion more likely. I think that is a pretty fair way to look at it. You have to pin the blame on Putin ultimately (though blame game conversations at this point aren't really productive anymore).
This post was edited on 9/22/25 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 9/22/25 at 3:56 pm to VolSquatch
Posted on 9/22/25 at 4:10 pm to VolSquatch
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will say my personal opinion on the issue is that responsibility ultimately does lie on the invader when they are invading a country for a reason that isn't existential to their country. But we (the collective west) also didn't help things along and created some conditions that made an invasion more likely. I think that is a pretty fair way to look at it. You have to pin the blame on Putin ultimately (though blame game conversations at this point aren't really productive anymore).
That is fair. I will also say if Russia or China overthrew the governments in Canada or Mexico and replaced them with an Anti American government that said the United States should be broken up...I am pretty sure we would invade those countries and I would have no problem with it. You can't preach democracy then overthrow governments to destabilize their neighbor.
This post was edited on 9/22/25 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 9/22/25 at 4:13 pm to VolSquatch
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Weren't you just talking about something a Russian general was saying in the past 5 pages because it supported your position?
Actually, that is fundamentally different. It is a statement against interest and is usually considered to carry significant veracity. It is the reason that English Common Law and US jurisprudence (Rule 803) consider it an exception to the hearsay rule.
This is why I follow the Russian newspapers and media. I can read all day on X ot YT about the "fuel crisis" in Russia, but when I start seeing it above the fold in Izvestia or especially Rossiyskaya Gazeta then I can be comfortable giving it credence. When Vlad, Margarita, or Olga start talking about how bad things are going, it is time to listen.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 4:29 pm to cypher
" please don't come here to whine about it. You have been warned."
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Posted on 9/22/25 at 4:30 pm to John Barron
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He even refused to repeal the law banning the Russian language. -Sergei Lavrov
Now you're parroting Lavrov's lies. There was and still is no ban on using the Russian language.
I've worked in Ukraine and I spoke Russian to the local Ukrainians every day.
There was and still is no ban on using the Russian language.
There was and still is no ban on using the Russian language.
There was and still is no ban on using the Russian language.
There was and still is no ban on using the Russian language.
There was and still is no ban on using the Russian language.
There was and still is no ban on using the Russian language.
There was and still is no ban on using the Russian language.
There was and still is no ban on using the Russian language.
Is there no Russian lie you won't believe and repeat to others??
Posted on 9/22/25 at 4:30 pm to John Barron
NAFO Trolls: "Unprovoked Invasion"
Reality:
Reality:
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 9/22/25 at 5:03 pm to Leopold
Now give the Russian bot some slack. He didn't use Nazis (right out the Communist Party play book from 1943), Biolabs, Super Soldiers with CIA drugs at all
Posted on 9/22/25 at 5:04 pm to VolSquatch
Here is what I posted:
Now exactly where did I call everyone who quoted a Russian an idiot, wingman?
Vol:
And neither did I.
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So you hang your hat on what a Russian hack said!!! Geez. You must think we are all idiots.
Now exactly where did I call everyone who quoted a Russian an idiot, wingman?
Vol:
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I didn't just call everyone who quoted a Russian on something an idiot
And neither did I.
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Posted on 9/22/25 at 5:07 pm to John Barron
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They never entered the Donbas.
Of all your absurdities, this one is the most ridiculous.
Entire Russian units were shipped to the border and then told to take their unit insignias off the day before they crossed into Ukraine.
When you start spouting this crap, your entire charade falls apart for everyone to see.
The key to being an effective troll farm propaganda tool is to make it passionate but believable. You'll never get promoted this way.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 5:11 pm to VolSquatch
Nice to see all the usual Ukraine bros are back posting after taking yesterday off to protest Charlie Kirk’s funeral.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 5:18 pm to No Colors
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Entire Russian units were shipped to the border and then told to take their unit insignias off the day before they crossed into Ukraine.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 5:29 pm to texag7
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Nice to see all the usual Ukraine bros are back posting after taking yesterday off to protest Charlie Kirk’s funeral
How they look
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 9/22/25 at 5:39 pm to John Barron
Your Firehose of Falsehoods is spewing today.
You are copying your hero, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrow who you have quoted several times in the last 3 pages.
Remember this whopper he told in March, 2022? It was two weeks after Russian tanks and APCs rolled into the Donbas when...
Here is a photo of the "lies and propaganda" of the bombed children's hospital...
Caption: "A car burns after the destruction of the Mariupol children’s hospital."
And those Russian tanks that didn't attack Ukraine???
Here are some of them..
Caption: Destroyed Russian tanks are seen in the Sumy region of Ukraine.
New York Post - Published March 10, 2022
You are copying your hero, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrow who you have quoted several times in the last 3 pages.
Remember this whopper he told in March, 2022? It was two weeks after Russian tanks and APCs rolled into the Donbas when...
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Lavrov gave a speech in Turkey and said, "Russia didn’t attack Ukraine.”
“We are not planning to attack other countries. We didn’t attack Ukraine in the first place,” the gaslighting Lavrov said.
Lavrov also claimed that Russia’s deadly attack on a maternity hospital in the besieged city of Mariupol on Wednesday was lies and propaganda
Here is a photo of the "lies and propaganda" of the bombed children's hospital...
Caption: "A car burns after the destruction of the Mariupol children’s hospital."
And those Russian tanks that didn't attack Ukraine???
Here are some of them..
Caption: Destroyed Russian tanks are seen in the Sumy region of Ukraine.
New York Post - Published March 10, 2022
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Posted on 9/22/25 at 7:35 pm to doubleb
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And neither did I.
Sorry, everyone who would BELIEVE a Russian.
Now that you're done with your performative cuck bullshite for the day, are you going to admit that you can't even go mere hours without contradicting yourself?
Wait for it everyone, I can feel another lie coming.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 7:39 pm to Obtuse1
Sorry, I just don't find traitors of any sort believable.
There are obviously different incentive structures there, sure. But a traitor also has incentive to make himself valuable to the side he defected to and maintain that value.
There are obviously different incentive structures there, sure. But a traitor also has incentive to make himself valuable to the side he defected to and maintain that value.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 7:50 pm to VolSquatch
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Wait for it everyone, I can feel another lie coming.
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Wait for it everyone, I can feel another lie coming.
Arr you are still at happy hour wingman.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 8:07 pm to doubleb
Posted on 9/22/25 at 8:11 pm to No Colors
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The key to being an effective troll farm propaganda tool is to make it passionate but believable. You'll never get promoted this way
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