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re: La. special session no. 3: We now know exactly what is getting cut.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 1:15 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 6/11/18 at 1:15 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
The fact that in his suggested plan, he suggests closing Tech and leaving ULM open, completely negates his entire suggested plan.
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Posted on 6/11/18 at 1:21 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
They are considering the elimination of morning classes at LSU due to traffic. Do you really want half of the SLU students trying to get on Campus at LSU? SLU serves a purpose to a growing area, Grambling and Southern administrators should be jailed for the lack of quality service they provide.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 1:27 pm to Amblin
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Just sad that no one has the guts to do the Convention to redo the La constitution to stop all the special protected funds and such
The only explanation is the overwhelming majority of lawmakers secretly love the restrictions. Why do you think higher ed & healthcare aren't protected? Lawmakers have purposely protected all manner of wasteful government bloat, but didn't protect two critical areas.
They have constitutionally protected the waste so they can raise taxes as soon as healthcare or education is threatened.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 1:46 pm to Marlbud
Who said anything about them going to LSU?
If they could get in LSU, they would likely be there already.
If they could get in LSU, they would likely be there already.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 1:47 pm to Dale Murphy
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It's crazy to think that 20 years ago, before TOPS, no one could get a college education. Just look at how far we've come.
I assume you are being sarcastic. Actually LA has improved a great deal.
In 1990 only 16% had college degree
In 2000 it was 19%
In 2009 it was 21%
LINK
And in 2012 it was 29%. (though that looks like a different methodology) LINK
So yeah, things are improving. Is that all TOPS? Nah. But I sure as hell would not discount it as a major driver.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 1:49 pm to Slippy
All this shite for JBE’s Medicaid expansion?
Posted on 6/11/18 at 1:52 pm to Dale Murphy
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It's crazy to think that 20 years ago, before TOPS, no one could get a college education. Just look at how far we've come.
Back then the legislature used to fund the operations of the universities to the extent that tuition my first year at LSU was about $450.00. If we go back to direct funding instead the Tops voucher, that would actually be better.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 1:54 pm to member12
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All this shite for JBE’s Medicaid expansion?
That actually reduces state dollars in this budget, jackass.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:03 pm to Marlbud
The closing of universities is dead on arrival politically. They should have never been opened in the first place. But because they were, and because they are important parts of their communities, legislators will fight to the death to protect them. And nobody wants to close somebody else's school out of fear for their own. It is simply not ever going to happen, I am afraid (although it should).
And in the end, higher ed (like all education) is a better function of government than writing some able-bodied person a check for simply being poor. An educated population is the foundation for progress and a thriving economy.
And in the end, higher ed (like all education) is a better function of government than writing some able-bodied person a check for simply being poor. An educated population is the foundation for progress and a thriving economy.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:04 pm to BigJim
Big Jim with some troof bombs! That being said, some schools need to be combined.
LSUs and Southern Shreve.
Southern and BRCC (feeder)
UNO and SUNO combine
(Delgado as a feeder)
"Feeders" would have associate degrees that can apply credits directly to either Southern or UNO.
As for LSUa, LSUe,a and the SUNO campuses...I would like to see full closures or tech school conversions. Either way, their footprint and subsequent costs are eliminated, or at least go down quite a bit.
In terms of Gambling, ULM, La Tech, ULL, McNeese St, SLU, NW St., or Nichols St., politicians are not going to alienate large voting districts or schools with sizable alumni groups.
This is just my .02.
LSUs and Southern Shreve.
Southern and BRCC (feeder)
UNO and SUNO combine
(Delgado as a feeder)
"Feeders" would have associate degrees that can apply credits directly to either Southern or UNO.
As for LSUa, LSUe,a and the SUNO campuses...I would like to see full closures or tech school conversions. Either way, their footprint and subsequent costs are eliminated, or at least go down quite a bit.
In terms of Gambling, ULM, La Tech, ULL, McNeese St, SLU, NW St., or Nichols St., politicians are not going to alienate large voting districts or schools with sizable alumni groups.
This is just my .02.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:06 pm to TBoy
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That actually reduces state dollars in this budget, jackass.
Where are you getting that from?
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:12 pm to jimmy the leg
I like the idea of combining schools, because we know they won't willingly close schools anywhere near their home districts. What are the chances of combining schools? how would that look to their constituents? I think it could and needs to be done asap.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:18 pm to Parade Grounds
Combining schools won't save you much money if people want to keep their physical campus where it is. And they will.
Faculty certainly aren't splitting their time between two campuses miles apart. Neither will students.
Only way to combine schools is to close one and make everybody go to the other. And that basically means closure, and it ain't happening.
Faculty certainly aren't splitting their time between two campuses miles apart. Neither will students.
Only way to combine schools is to close one and make everybody go to the other. And that basically means closure, and it ain't happening.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:22 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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SLU seems like one of the easiest on the "close" list
Doesn’t SLU have around 25k students?
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:23 pm to Lakeboy7
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At this point does LA really need higher ed? Just convert everything to votechs.
TBH, the only employers who are hiring are looking for vo-tech grads, not college grads.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:24 pm to Slippy
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Combining schools won't save you much money if people want to keep their physical campus where it is. And they will.
Faculty certainly aren't splitting their time between two campuses miles apart. Neither will students.
Only way to combine schools is to close one and make everybody go to the other. And that basically means closure, and it ain't happening.
Actually you can save some money by combining back office functions (accounting, IT, facilities and maintenance, etc).
You can get better programs from consolidating academics. For example instead of two mediocre chemistry departments-shrink one to just service courses and move the faculty to the other campus. Want to major in chemistry? Go to school B. But school A might get a better history department (or whatever).
That won't save money, but it will create centers of excellence.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:26 pm to TBoy
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That actually reduces state dollars in this budget, jackass.
Link please.
What are the 2018/19 numbers?
How much are we saving?
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:28 pm to doubleb
quote:he is making that up jus to make Honor Code look better.
That actually reduces state dollars in this budget, jackass.
Link please.
What are the 2018/19 numbers?
How much are we saving?
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:35 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:why. It provides vocational style degrees in education and nursing. We need mire community colleges like A and fewer directional schools offering worthless degrees
LSU-A should be knocked back to a 2 year school.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:42 pm to doubleb
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Link please.
What are the 2018/19 numbers?
How much are we saving?
As I understand it, there was supposed to be some minor savings as LDH reclassified those on "regular" medicaid to expansion medicaid with it's better match rate. Not sure what that ended up being.
The real issue is that expansion "saves" money, but that it generates revenue through an insurance premium tax and an assessment on certain providers. Since that tax is basically paid by the feds, it's basically free money. That money helps cover the costs of expansion until next year (FY20 so not the budget under review now).
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