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re: LA GATOR / Vouchers - Less than 30% of applicants are current public school students
Posted on 4/24/25 at 9:11 pm to Jake88
Posted on 4/24/25 at 9:11 pm to Jake88
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So? They are being given a thing of value they haven't earned. You know, like housing vouchers...
The state is choosing how and where the money is spent now. With vouchers the same money will be directed to the school the parent chooses for their child.
That doesn't sound like socialism to me. In socialism the state thinks they know best.
In your case after hearing your response you might be better off letting the state decide for you.
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Posted on 4/24/25 at 9:12 pm to 4cubbies
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Well the last time we tried vouchers in Louisiana, it was a colossal failure. But hey, let’s go broker trying again.
You could ask your political bedfellows to be actual parents, and maybe the public schools could be usable again. Just a thought.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 9:23 pm to 4cubbies
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The schools Drew Brees would even consider sending his kids to don’t accept vouchers. I can guarantee that.
The money that follows the poor child to the school chosen by the poor child's parent so that the poor parent now has a choice has nothing to do with Drew Brees.
Drew Brees probably pays a lot of taxes, why shouldn't a portion follow his kid as well?
Posted on 4/24/25 at 9:32 pm to 4cubbies
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How does this differ from our current reality? Or when you say “they can choose” do you mean “taxpayers should foot the bill for their kids if they choose private or religious school?”
Yes
Just like the GI Bill.
Want to go to UNO a public college? Sure!
Want to go to Tulane University a private college? Sure! Why not?
Want to go to Loyola university a religious college? Absolutely!
Posted on 4/24/25 at 9:33 pm to geoag58
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The state isn't going to give the money to the parent. The state is going to give the money to the school where the parent enrol's the student.
It's not a voucher program. It's an ESA (education savings account) which will be entirely controlled by the parent. Can be used for any education related expense. Tuition, tutoring, books, uniforms, computers, etc.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 9:56 pm to LSUFanHouston
Sounds like most people who applied aren’t eligible. This should all work itself out then.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:02 pm to Lickitty Split
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Sounds like most people who applied aren’t eligible.
That would be because Phase 1 has income limits. So does Phase 2. By Phase 3, almost everyone will qualify, as I understand it.
I'd prefer that we actually fix public schools. That said, if we're going to give people money for private tuition specifically because public schools are irredeemable, give it to everyone. Not doing so only hurts the middle class. We've spent the last 50 years destroying the middle class by calling them rich. Its probably time to stop doing that and recognize that the "truly rich" are largely immune from government policy.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:05 pm to Indefatigable
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You could ask your political bedfellows to be actual parents,
What?
You can ask your fellow men to be actual parents instead of sperm donors.
Do you think that contributed to the discussion in any way? It didn’t when you said it either.
If your goal is to deflect from actual discussion to trade insults instead, just go to your nearest middle school and hang out with your peers at recess.
Just a thought.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:12 pm to 4cubbies
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You can ask your fellow men to be actual parents instead of sperm donors.
I don't consider the people we're talking about to be my fellow men, at all. Every man I know personally parents their children.
There is a HUGE portion of our society in Louisiana that doesn't. I'm not part of that degenerate group. And its not racially based, either. There are too many losers in this State.
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If your goal is to deflect from actual discussion to trade insults instead, just go to your nearest middle school and hang out with your peers at recess.
It isn't. My point is that your ostensible point is that everyone should just send their kids to failing schools with shitty kids that don't teach anyone anything. I don't think that is the solution.
Public schools will only get better if the PUBLIC gets better, and teaches their children to behave like humans. Otherwise, you shouldn't be surprised or outraged that people who DO happen to parent their children properly want nothing to do with shitty schools.
Tell my why I should pay taxes for a school system I cannot use
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:17 pm to dragginass
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Last time I checked, Louisiana spent something like $12k per kid (including the federal dollars) for each kid educated in LA public schools. $5k per kid is a steal.
Most of the kids the state is paying $0
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:20 pm to geoag58
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Vouchers enable everyone to do the same exact thing Drew Brees does, do what he thinks is best for his child. Why would you rather trap poor children in a failed school. When the money goes with the student the parent can use the money to do what they think is best for their child.
The good schools are not accepting vouchers
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:21 pm to WhiteMandingo
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You have to live below the poverty line and 89% of the applicants are already in private/ catholic schools? I dont see how that is possible
Single mom, grandma paying
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:22 pm to Indefatigable
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My point is that your ostensible point is that everyone should just send their kids to failing schools with shitty kids that don't teach anyone anything
You believe this describes every single public school in the state? Because that’s how you framed this statement.
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Public schools will only get better if the PUBLIC gets better,
Parents have to parent their kids. As a former public school teacher, I agree.
quote:again, do you believe every single public school in Louisiana is shitty?
Otherwise, you shouldn't be surprised or outraged that people who DO happen to parent their children properly want nothing to do with shitty schools.
quote:where do you live? I bet i can find a good public school your kids could attend.
Tell my why I should pay taxes for a school system I cannot use
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:23 pm to LSUFanHouston
Stealing from the poor and giving to the rich
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:25 pm to Gaspergou202
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I actually advocate for the parents or guardians to be given complete school choice for their children. They should be in charge of the public money assigned to educate their children.
The reality is, many parents make poor choices.
Source: many of our problems
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:34 pm to 4cubbies
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You believe this describes every single public school in the state? Because that’s how you framed this statement.
Every single one? No, of course not. There are a few systems that actually function.
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again, do you believe every single public school in Louisiana is shitty?
with VERY limited exception, yes. I do.
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again, do you believe every single public school in Louisiana is shitty?
And again, with VERY limited exception, yes. Absolutely.. Its astounding that anyone could conclude otherwise.
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where do you live? I bet i can find a good public school your kids could attend.
There is one, ONE, public high school school in my parish that I consider acceptable. The elementary and middle schools that feed it are garbage. I guess I just have to eat tuition before high school. Its my penance for having the audacity to be middle class and not wanting my kids to be subject to subhuman behavior on a daily basis.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:35 pm to Indefatigable
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There is one, ONE, public high school school in my parish that I consider acceptable. The elementary and middle schools that feed it are garbage
Mi find this hard to believe. There are no magnet schools in your parish?
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:45 pm to 4cubbies
No, there aren't. My parish's "Magnet" high school is also a shithole
But feel free to respond to the entirety of my post, and not just your preferred topics.
Tell me what I am supposed to do. There is zero option for elementary or middle school that doesn't include subjecting my children to subhuman nonsense on a daily basis. I want them to actually learn at school, so I have to pay for them to go somewhere else until high school--on top of wasting my money via taxes on a failing school system.
Why, exactly, should I have to pay for a public school system that I derive NO benefit from? My kids get no benefit from it. Am I "rich" because I don't want my kids subjected to that crap? Why can't my tax dollars go to the education of my children? Why are the needs of people who don't care about their children's education superior to mine?
But feel free to respond to the entirety of my post, and not just your preferred topics.
Tell me what I am supposed to do. There is zero option for elementary or middle school that doesn't include subjecting my children to subhuman nonsense on a daily basis. I want them to actually learn at school, so I have to pay for them to go somewhere else until high school--on top of wasting my money via taxes on a failing school system.
Why, exactly, should I have to pay for a public school system that I derive NO benefit from? My kids get no benefit from it. Am I "rich" because I don't want my kids subjected to that crap? Why can't my tax dollars go to the education of my children? Why are the needs of people who don't care about their children's education superior to mine?
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:46 pm to geoag58
quote:This is rationalization. Again, reread what I posted about Section 8. That program lets you choose the house too. Is Section 8 not socialistic? Again, you want free shite, so you're going to do mental gymnastics to deny that vouchers are a handout.
That doesn't sound like socialism to me. In socialism the state thinks they know best
quote:My kids are or were in private schools.
In your case after hearing your response you might be better off letting the state decide for you.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:58 pm to PUB
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Heck yeah - Drew Brees needs us all as taxpayers to subsidize his children's tuition at Newman.
He doesn’t need it, but the state needs to send the message that we value all children, rich and poor
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