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Posted on 11/1/23 at 9:55 pm to Ag Zwin
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I think the parents should have accepted that he could never be mainstream.
Some simply use schools as caretakers for their kids during the day.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 10:00 pm to jrobic4
ASD is not his major malfunction. He was also diagnosed with:
Oppositional defiant disorder(ODD)
Defiance toward parents, teachers, or authority figures.
They blame others.
They are vindictive.
They are revengeful.
Contributing factors:
Personality
Parenting
Intermittent explosive disorder
Sudden explosive behavior with no thought of consequences.
They are violent with the intent to harm or kill.
Contributing factors
Passed from parent to child genetically or environmentally.
He has been with this family since he was an infant, which means it's not environmental and violent behavior is in his DNA. He doesn't like rules. He's willing to harm or kill to get what he wants. He's low intellect, but he understands right from wrong. Unless he's a sociopath. Either way, he belongs in jail.
Oppositional defiant disorder(ODD)
Defiance toward parents, teachers, or authority figures.
They blame others.
They are vindictive.
They are revengeful.
Contributing factors:
Personality
Parenting
Intermittent explosive disorder
Sudden explosive behavior with no thought of consequences.
They are violent with the intent to harm or kill.
Contributing factors
Passed from parent to child genetically or environmentally.
He has been with this family since he was an infant, which means it's not environmental and violent behavior is in his DNA. He doesn't like rules. He's willing to harm or kill to get what he wants. He's low intellect, but he understands right from wrong. Unless he's a sociopath. Either way, he belongs in jail.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:04 am to Category5
I guess, my question is, why should this person be allowed to continue to live given the diagnosis?
And, before 1 million down votes, I am only opening this for a discussion, especially given one particular political parties decisions on abortion
And, before 1 million down votes, I am only opening this for a discussion, especially given one particular political parties decisions on abortion
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:42 am to Ag Zwin
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Brendan’s therapist reports that he has the emotional maturity of a 4 to 6-year-old.
Remember that movie "Honey, I Blew Up the Kid" ?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:48 am to Ag Zwin
frick that kid. He’s not going to serve 30 years.
These are now meaningless diagnoses that kids get when they’re shitty humans.
quote:
autism, ADHD
These are now meaningless diagnoses that kids get when they’re shitty humans.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:58 am to Ag Zwin
Would love to do an audit of that kid's history. Zero chance this is the first time something similar to this has happened involving him.
The apology by the mom was very canned and didn't seem sincere in the least.
ETA:
This paragraph summed the whole thing up for me
So he lacks the mental capacity to "adapt" yet you would put him in a school with other children. Sounds like the parents may be culpable as well.
The apology by the mom was very canned and didn't seem sincere in the least.
ETA:
This paragraph summed the whole thing up for me
quote:
A child with multiple mental disorders like Brendan should not be sentenced to prison. He would be placed with the general population, exposing him to exploitation and abuse. Brendan lacks the capacity to adapt to prison culture and would not gain the necessary abilities to reintegrate into society successfully. Not least, we fear that access to proper medication and therapy would be unavailable.
So he lacks the mental capacity to "adapt" yet you would put him in a school with other children. Sounds like the parents may be culpable as well.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 9:07 am
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:08 am to idlewatcher
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Would love to do an audit of that kid's history.
We could give a pretty accurate psychosocial history without knowing any more than we do.
Absent father.
Mother on a few forms of government aid.
Grew up with 6+ hours of screen time per day.
Oppositional defiant diagnosis or some analogous diagnosis before 15.
Multiple referrals to social services.
Serious behavioral issues starting by 2nd grade.
Limited friend group due to self-isolation.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:11 am to Ag Zwin
My wife and I have been fostering children the last couple of years and after a couple of placements with teens we finally had to stop taking them in because the system makes it near impossible for them to be successful in school and because of that, tougher in the home. The two teenagers we took in had no business being in a classroom with other students but because of the rules when it comes to fostering kids in Missouri they had to be in public school. Both of the teenagers we took in would have been better served by homeschooling so not only would they get a better education, but they wouldn't have been a distraction to the rest of the school. It is sad to say, but some of these kids are so screwed up, they just can't be successful in a traditional classroom setting. I bring this up because one of the kids we took in was expelled from his school for assaulting his principal a few years back. He was a perfect kid at home with us, but literally every time he went to school, he got in trouble. We are out in the country but we have an excellent homeschooling group in our area where half the time kids are at home doing traditional learning, but the other half of the time local farmers and ranchers have classes teaching them non traditional classes. I wish the two teenagers we took in could have been home schooled, maybe they would still be in our care but unfortunately the system didn't allow it, and because of that became too much for my wife and I continue fostering them
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:12 am to Ag Zwin
I've seen these files and folders on some of these 'special ed ' kids. Some of these kids have two cardboard boxes full of paperwork and they are just 8th graders. These kids have been turned into an industry. The average kid has just one file folder for their entire public school career.
It is really unfair that so much money is spent on kids who can never do simple math problems or write a coherent sentence while many bright intelligent kids never have an extra dollar spent on them to assist them into getting into a school like MIT. In my opinion that is the true crime here.
99% of these kids have parents with the same or similar problems. Guy attacked another human with the intent to kill (for a toy). Do the crime ,do the time.
It is really unfair that so much money is spent on kids who can never do simple math problems or write a coherent sentence while many bright intelligent kids never have an extra dollar spent on them to assist them into getting into a school like MIT. In my opinion that is the true crime here.
99% of these kids have parents with the same or similar problems. Guy attacked another human with the intent to kill (for a toy). Do the crime ,do the time.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:17 am to the808bass
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Absent father. Mother on a few forms of government aid.
Tell us you didn’t read the link without saying it.
Like the vast majority of the replies here.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:20 am to LRB1967
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The only question is "Did the kid assault the teacher?" It does not matter why he did it. Actions have consequences.
I used to have a similar mindset, but after fostering and hearing what some of these kids have been thru, it's no wonder they act out because that is all they know. As I previously stated, we as a society need to change how we approach these sorts of cases, the kid in this story had no business being in a traditional classroom. When a kid is beaten daily, why wouldn't they think that is normal behavior and follow the example they've seen for years?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:22 am to dafif
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Do you think they will have IEP in prison?
Will he learn consequences?
Entire life without consequence... time to learn
Life without consequences? For a lot of these kids the problem isn't that they've lived a life without consequences, it's that they have lived a life where every misstep was met with far too severe consequences so much so that they think its just how things work
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:26 am to Ag Zwin
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should those consequences be 30 years in prison?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:31 am to Ag Zwin
The cause of this incident was the idiotic policy of placing a kid with this level of dysfunction into a normal school environment. (For those who did not bother to read the article, he has the HIGHEST score on the autism scale.)
SOMETHING was eventually going to happen. You cannot blame the teacher, who was certainly not trained to deal with this level of dysfunction. It is difficult to blame the kid, because his sever limitations are far beyond his ability to control.
The POLICY is the problem here.
So what is the appropriate punishment for the kid? First, he should never have been handled as an adult. He should have been in the juvenile justice system, where they could craft something appropriate to his limitations and his (limited) ability to even understand the punishment.
SOMETHING was eventually going to happen. You cannot blame the teacher, who was certainly not trained to deal with this level of dysfunction. It is difficult to blame the kid, because his sever limitations are far beyond his ability to control.
The POLICY is the problem here.
So what is the appropriate punishment for the kid? First, he should never have been handled as an adult. He should have been in the juvenile justice system, where they could craft something appropriate to his limitations and his (limited) ability to even understand the punishment.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 9:33 am
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:33 am to Antoninus
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The cause of this incident was the idiotic policy of placing a kid with this level of dysfunction into a normal school environment.
This is the correct take
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:34 am to CAD703X
quote:It would appear that you struggle to grasp the distinction between "blame" and an attempt to understand causation.quote:frickING BLAME THE POOR WOMAN KNOCKED TEH frick OUT ON THE FLOOR
But somehow the reward system shifted from the approved plan to utilizing or perhaps misapplying one of Brendan’s known triggers This year’s teacher changed the overall reward system to allow students to access their electronics once they were done with their work.
POOR Li'L BRENDAN
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:34 am to AgSGT
quote:
This is the correct take
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:39 am to deeprig9
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We need to bring back insane asylums, this kid needs to spend his life playing nintendo and eating graham crackers and taking his medicine for the rest of his life, as a ward of the state, for the rest of his life. Momma can visit whenever she wants.
We need to go back to Mental Institutes and could solve 90% of homelessness overnight, and probably 50% of overall crime. Who thought it was a good idea to shut these all down and let these wackos live on the street?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:41 am to TigerOnTheMountain
quote:Not really. The Dems wanted to do-away with asylums for social reasons, and the GOP wanted to do so for fiscal reasons.
Who thought it was a good idea to shut these all down and let these wackos live on the street?quote:
Ronald Reagan.
It was a "perfect storm" of a bad, short-sighted policy decision.
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