re: Kid who beat teacher for taking away his Nintendo has pled guilty. Punishment?

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Nobody is saying "it is their fault and they should have raised him better." They are saying regardless of the kids situation, there are consequences in this society for anyone who nearly beats someone to death without reason. They are saying regardless of the kid's situation, society must be protected from people like that.

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A) Are you blind? There are plenty of posters here saying essentially that, ie, stating all kinds of tropes about absent fathers, dependent mothers, etc.

B) I have yet to see anybody (including myself) say that there should be no consequences. This is a hard case, though, and what kind of humanity are you lacking to just want this kid thrown in a hole at the mercy of the merciless for decades?

C) Is prison the only way to insulate this kid from the triggers and risks, or is it just an easy way to forget about the problem?

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Or nuance as in white-splaining what black people are really like to T-Bird....

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shouldn't the school make that call?

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How does a school get to make that call? Currently, they don’t (for all practical purposes).

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I can't for the life of me figure out why he was in a regular school.

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Pressure and fear.

You wanna be the white Administrators who turn this poor, gentle giant minority kid away in 2023?

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A) Are you blind? There are plenty of posters here saying essentially that, ie, stating all kinds of tropes about absent fathers, dependent mothers, etc.

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I've seen many more tropes implying that the consequences for his violent (and apparently frequently violent) actions should be mitigated by his situation. I seriously doubt the lady who was attacked could feel the difference in the blows she took.

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B) I have yet to see anybody (including myself) say that there should be no consequences. This is a hard case, though, and what kind of humanity are you lacking to just want this kid thrown in a hole at the mercy of the merciless for decades?

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Oh, but you have. You read the conditions of this kids IEP just like I did. Conditions that almost certainly did not come from the school, because I promise you there are consequences and repercussions enforced every day, for the normal kids who do shite wrong. And to answer your question, I guess I'm lacking the kind of humanity that needlessly puts the public at significant risk of becoming yet another victim of a person who has shown multiple times that he is unwilling or unable to control himself.

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C) Is prison the only way to insulate this kid from the triggers and risks, or is it just an easy way to forget about the problem?

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Well, I guess you and your wife could probably adopt and try to educate him. Pro tip: Tell your wife to not find fault in anything he does, and not to punish him in any way for anything he does wrong. She'll probably be alright, until she mistakenly expects him to behave. Pro tip #2: Teach her to bob and weave. She might save herself from being beaten to death before you get there to save her.

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I have some earth-shattering news for you. That’s not his father.

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He was not the sperm donor, but he has been the kid's father since infancy.

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He won't be required to do the full 30 years unless he chooses to, but what else do you suggest for a violent animal that has never been under control during it's lifetime?

The 30 years is nothing more than a safety net in the case that the beast can't act like a human long enough to get an early release. In the case it does what it always does, you have the position locked in to protect innocent victims as long as possible.

You are what your record says you are.. in this case it's an unmanageable threat to society.

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Bingo.

One of the primary purposes...actually THE purpose, in my opinion...is to protect members of society from those who would do them harm.

That's it. People can talk about justice, rehabilitation, etc, all day long. But at the end of the day, the primary purpose is to protect the rest of us from people who are dangerous.

1000-1 the ho bag mother doesn't have a clue as to who the daddy is.

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He was not the sperm donor, but he has been the kid's father since infancy.

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Fatherhood isn’t a functional role. You can’t alleviate all issues associated with fatherless kids by declaring someone the father. This isn’t rocket science.

Additionally, much of the thread has focused on the limitations of the social services systems which were almost all triggered in part by the familial status of the child.

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1000-1 the ho bag mother doesn't have a clue as to who the daddy is.

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Do you people even hear yourselves?

The kid was either adopted or fostered with the people that are his family.

Let me guess: You are also very quick to say adoption is the best alternative to abortion?

I am, too. The difference is that I mean it.