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re: Kevin O’Leary Explains to CNN Audience, NYC Case Against President Trump is Nonsense
Posted on 1/12/24 at 4:39 pm to Powerman
Posted on 1/12/24 at 4:39 pm to Powerman
quote:
The no victims thing is a weak argument
If I speed and don't cause an accident I'm still breaking traffic laws
This is how you tell someone you don't know the difference between civil regulations and criminal law without saying it ..
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Posted on 1/12/24 at 4:41 pm to Lsupimp
quote:
This is the price you pay when you organize an insurrection that has people trying to murder Mike Pence complete with gallows.
Mike Pence would have to b 3 ft tall to hang from this
Posted on 1/12/24 at 4:43 pm to Powerman
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Either his business committed fraud or it didn't. Whether or not someone was the victim of that is immaterial.
Value is an opinion by definition. The argument alone is the most subjective kind that exists.
The only way to prove fraud or fraudulent intent is with a smoking gun or by proving fraudulent damages. Without either, this case should have been DOA when it came before a judge.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 4:53 pm to TerryDawg03
I am amazed at how stupid and dumb the powerman poster always presents himself . It has to be an act, right?
Posted on 1/12/24 at 4:54 pm to Powerman
quote:
The no victims thing is a weak argument
If I speed and don't cause an accident I'm still breaking traffic laws
Either his business committed fraud or it didn't. Whether or not someone was the victim of that is immaterial.
The question is was Trump attempting to mislead the bank in order to get the loan, thereby defrauding the bank. The bank says no.
quote:
Fraud
A false representation of a matter of fact—whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of what should have been disclosed—that deceives and is intended to deceive another so that the individual will act upon it to her or his legal injury.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 5:15 pm to GumboPot
This is all so dumb.
I’m no real estate developer, but if he wanted to save money on his taxes ( as they allege ) wouldn’t “grossly overstating” the value of his property be a really fricking dumb thing for him to do?
I’m no real estate developer, but if he wanted to save money on his taxes ( as they allege ) wouldn’t “grossly overstating” the value of his property be a really fricking dumb thing for him to do?
Posted on 1/12/24 at 5:21 pm to tommy2tone1999
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Mike Pence would have to b 3 ft tall to hang from this
Remember when that POS AggieHank argued that it was a "real" gallows for 20 some odd pages?
What an idiot...
Posted on 1/12/24 at 5:22 pm to Powerman
quote:
Whether or not someone was the victim of that is immaterial.
Are you in some sort of secret contest where the winner is named "Idiot of the Year"?
If so, you are definitely in the lead.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 5:23 pm to GumboPot
The law of fraud in NY doesn’t require
the victims to complain or even suffer significant injury. It’s the act itself that meets the elements of the crime.
the victims to complain or even suffer significant injury. It’s the act itself that meets the elements of the crime.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 5:39 pm to Powerman
quote:
The no victims thing is a weak argument If I speed and don't cause an accident I'm still breaking traffic laws Either his business committed fraud or it didn't. Whether or not someone was the victim of that is immaterial.
Is this a criminal trial?
Posted on 1/12/24 at 5:51 pm to klrstix
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This is how you tell someone you don't know the difference between civil regulations and criminal law without saying it ..
You're talking to Powerman.
He doesn't know the difference between his arse and a hole in the ground.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 6:27 pm to Powerman
quote:
If I speed and don't cause an accident I'm still breaking traffic laws
Gotta love a good shitty liberal analogy.
"If a butterfly doesn't sneeze then Hunter's paintings weren't bribes"
Posted on 1/12/24 at 7:07 pm to Dirk Dawgler
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I am amazed at how stupid and dumb the powerman poster always presents himself . It has to be an act, right?
I see his posts on other forums here and he seems like a completely reasonable and likeable poster, but anything Trump related, he blows his gasket. It is true TDS.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 7:42 pm to GumboPot
That was epic. And the CNN anchorette didn't even badger or attack him. Not too much. That was almost proper journalism on display.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 7:47 pm to Fun Bunch
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Its complete nonsense.
He's still gonna get hit though despite it being complete nonsense.
Which will further validate Trump's and America First claims of a Two Tier Justice System .
Posted on 1/12/24 at 7:53 pm to Powerman
quote:
The no victims thing is a weak argument
If I speed and don't cause an accident I'm still breaking traffic laws
Either his business committed fraud or it didn't. Whether or not someone was the victim of that is immaterial.
How do you commit fraud when the lending institutions themselves are required to do their own due diligence before giving the Trump Organization a loan.
I've had several mortgages and small business loans, I can tell you the lender checked my loan applications with a fine tooth comb to make sure my information was legit and their risk assessment was accurate.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 7:57 pm to Bass Tiger
Have any of the people advocating fraud in this case ever had an appraisal of real estate. There are a number of methods to establish value. Valuing an operating business is even more difficult because of goodwill as Trumps lawyer has contended.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 8:03 pm to Lsupimp
quote:
This is the price you pay when you organize an insurrection that has people trying to murder Mike Pence complete with gallows.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 8:16 pm to Powerman
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The no victims thing is a weak argument
really?
can you be guilty of murder if nobody was killed?
can you be guilty of robbery if nobody got robbed?
can you be guilty of rape if nobody got raped?
etc.
etc.
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Either his business committed fraud or it didn't. Whether or not someone was the victim of that is immaterial.
if his business committed fraud, then somebody IS the victim of said fraud.
fraud by definition is "deceiving people"
the people who were deceived are the victims.
if there was nobody deceived, then there was no fraud.
quote:
If I speed and don't cause an accident I'm still breaking traffic laws
you are aware that not every crime requires a victim?
fraud is not one of those laws.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 8:50 pm to Powerman
quote:
Either his business committed fraud or it didn't.
So he committed fraud against no one, but it was fraud?lol, ok
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