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re: Kash wants FISA extended 5 or 10 years; Tulsi not so enthusiastic.

Posted on 3/20/26 at 8:24 am to
Posted by ATrillionaire
Houston
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Posted on 3/20/26 at 8:24 am to
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Whoever is in power is going to enjoy having the most power possible.

You are correct.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/20/26 at 8:25 am to
Why don't we discuss exactly how Trump could shut down the FISA secret courts.

Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 3/20/26 at 8:31 am to
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That sort of thinking leads good people thinking they're doing good things to do bad things
It certainly can. Tough spot.
Posted by ATrillionaire
Houston
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 3/20/26 at 8:31 am to
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Why don't we discuss exactly how Trump could shut down the FISA secret courts.

Very simple. Congress granted the power to the Executive. It does not have to use it.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 3/20/26 at 8:35 am to
Here’s a thought for the loudest sky screamers amongst us: if the government wanted to abuse its capabilities to spy on its citizens for nefarious purposes, it can do that with or without FISA. This program “merely” provides an avenue for searches under certain circumstances and parameters to yield legal evidence/information that makes it legally usable in the court setting, i.e. procedurally allowable.

Now, does it take liberties with the aforementioned “parameters,” yes. But again, FISA doesn’t provide the government with some magic key to otherwise inaccessible data/information. They could have abused their advanced technology and hardware and software to “spy” on you inappropriately long, long ago, if and whenever they so choose.

This is merely crumbs for thirsty sky screamers. And none of this has been intended offensively towards yourself, or anyone else specifically, just general observation(s).
This post was edited on 3/20/26 at 8:37 am
Posted by idsrdum
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 3/20/26 at 8:39 am to
FISA is like the Ring—once you wield its power, it’s almost impossible to give it up.
Posted by ATrillionaire
Houston
Member since Sep 2008
3296 posts
Posted on 3/20/26 at 8:41 am to
If you like me to be more specific,

Under Section 702, the executive branch must submit an application to the FISC for annual certification. POTUS can direct the AG and DNI to stop applying for or renewing these certs. Without court approval, intelligence agencies cannot operate under the program, even if the law remains.

POTUS could also issue an EO or internal directive to halt FISA. He could mandate to IAs to seek a probable-cause warrant.

I'd like to note that I'm not against FISA. Just wondered why you went out of your way to excuse the one person who could end it unilaterally.
This post was edited on 3/20/26 at 8:44 am
Posted by Mushroom1968
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 3/20/26 at 8:43 am to
Y’all can’t grasp Kash may have been against how fisa was used at one time but not for getting rid of it completely? More searches” doesn’t mean “more spying on Americans”

The key program here is Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.These databases are already legally collected foreign intelligence A “search” (or query) is often just checking if a U.S. person appears in existing foreign intel It does not mean new surveillance was launched on that American So the 34% increase could reflect more foreign threats being tracked (China, cyber activity, etc or more careful cross-checking, not more targeting
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/20/26 at 8:51 am to
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
16473 posts
Posted on 3/20/26 at 8:53 am to
Don't pass anything until the SAVE act is passed.
Posted by Mushroom1968
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2023
6314 posts
Posted on 3/20/26 at 8:56 am to
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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss


Go look at statistics instead of relying on a bunch of teen message board posters. Our new “boss” Kash, has done much better.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36755 posts
Posted on 3/20/26 at 8:57 am to
Yeah that one was pretty lame, for sure.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/20/26 at 9:01 am to
frick FISA.

Seriously.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23357 posts
Posted on 3/20/26 at 9:03 am to
Man alive was I wrong about Kash Patel.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/20/26 at 9:05 am to
It doesnt take an IQ of 80 to understand that Kash is throwing this in the uniparty's face and is going to use it against them until they are willing to shut it down.
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 3/20/26 at 9:07 am to
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36755 posts
Posted on 3/20/26 at 9:11 am to
I don’t think that’s what you’re wrong about. Let me ask this: are you familiar enough with the FISA program to be able to describe, perhaps even with some anecdotal information, the type or types of situations/scenarios wherein this particular program is, could be, or actually has been key to averting or responding to otherwise catastrophic incident/event?

In other words, have you thought through the possible benefits derived from FISA? Or rather more or less made your mind up without even really knowing those types of details from the other side of the argument? Don’t feel bad if you’re the latter…..clearly so is pretty much everyone else.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23357 posts
Posted on 3/20/26 at 9:14 am to
Let me be crystal clear: I want FISA dead. Not replaced… dead.

I want the Patriot Act repealed.

They’re both bad programs built on a justification of lies.

I understand fully and have looked at the logic behind and the potential consequences of ending both and found them entirely unjustified in their transfer of power and privacy away from the individual to the state.

You can be free to support handing away your rights and freedoms for “safety”. I don’t and don’t believe any of this was ever about safety in the first place.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35538 posts
Posted on 3/20/26 at 9:18 am to
This is NOT what I voted for. Quite the opposite.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
77693 posts
Posted on 3/20/26 at 9:42 am to
All I'm seeing is "FISA works both ways".
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