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re: Kari Lake Election Contest TRIAL! Viva & Barnes Live Commentary

Posted on 12/22/22 at 4:56 pm to
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 4:56 pm to
There is no harm in redoing the election in Maricopa County.
Posted by LSU2ALA
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 4:56 pm to
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NO STATE should do mass mail-in voting. It's ridiculous & creates doubt in elections.


Some states have done this for years with no issues. This belief that mail in voting is corrupt is a very recent one.
Posted by rumproast
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 4:57 pm to
This closing seriously reminds me of the Chewbacca Defense. "It doesn't make sense!!"
Posted by MFn GIMP
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 4:58 pm to
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There is no harm in redoing the election in Maricopa County.

Can it just be redone in Maricopa or is it a new statewide election? I don't see either being allowed but does anyone know before I look up the Arizona statutes?
Posted by Cali 4 LSU
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 4:58 pm to
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Would the county have to prove they followed their procedures or would Lake first have to prove they didn’t?


She did. Didn't a witness testify yesterday saying they didn't follow chain of custody. Then the state, who should have proof they did, can't provide it?

Check out the link I posted above from Timcast where he addresses this.
Posted by MFn GIMP
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 4:59 pm to
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This closing seriously reminds me of the Chewbacca Defense. "It doesn't make sense!!"


That's exactly what I didn't like about it. What is a Wookie doing on Endor? It doesn't make sense.
Posted by Cali 4 LSU
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 5:01 pm to
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Some states have done this for years with no issues.


How do we know? And I wouldn't agree but I'm one person.

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This belief that mail in voting is corrupt is a very recent one.


Why is that? And again, I wouldn't agree but I'm one person.
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 5:01 pm to
The judge has nothing to lose by ordering another election.

It's an impartial and fair decision.

The question is...how is it conducted?
Posted by LSU2ALA
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 5:01 pm to
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She did. Didn't a witness testify yesterday saying they didn't follow chain of custody. Then the state, who should have proof they did, can't provide it?


Right, but I never heard them intimate they didn’t follow their own process or that the process was in violation of state law. In other words, it may not be a great process for chain of custody, but if they did follow it, I don’t see a judge getting involved on that unless it’s just egregiously bad.
Posted by BHTiger
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 5:01 pm to
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Some states have done this for years with no issues. This belief that mail in voting is corrupt is a very recent one.


How do you know it isn't corrupt? Are the states so blue it doesn't matter? Or atleast it doesn't seem to make a difference?
Posted by DreauxB2015
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 5:02 pm to
Slick Wille Stallone got destroyed when the answers on the laptop didnt come in fast enough .
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 5:02 pm to
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This belief that mail in voting is corrupt is a very recent one.


I don't think that's true. It's just that mail-in voting is now such a huge thing that it has exacerbated the potential fraud whereas in the past it was a small percentage of total votes so it only mattered in very close elections.
Posted by CelticDog
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 5:03 pm to
is the proposed remedy a new election?

Posted by Cali 4 LSU
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 5:03 pm to
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but if they did follow it,


No, per a Sworn witness with data. BUT the state can't say "yes we did, here is the proof:" which, by law, they must maintain. Maybe I'm wrong on this but it's my understanding.
Posted by LSU2ALA
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 5:04 pm to
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How do you know it isn't corrupt? Are the states so blue it doesn't matter? Or atleast it doesn't seem to make a difference?


I know Utah has done it for a while as has Colorado. One red and one purple.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 5:04 pm to
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is the proposed remedy a new election?

I believe they are asking to either name Lake the winner or order a new election. I'm just not sure if a new election would be Maricopa County only or the entire State.

ETA: None of that is going to happen even though I think Lake should get a new election based on this evidence.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 5:05 pm
Posted by DreauxB2015
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 5:06 pm to
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is the proposed remedy a new election?


After the first couple days of totally Tea-bagging the Hobbs sham . What is CuckDogs solution to the fraud ? Be honest.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 5:07 pm to

Even if they followed their policies and processes, that doesn't mean those processes are adequate to meet Constitutional requirements.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 5:08 pm to
16% higher voter turnout? Absolutely not, it is a complete mischaracterization of Baris' testimony and the math. If only 2.5% of outstanding voters on election day was depressed because of the issues that is 22,500 votes and a 78/22 split of that 22,500 for Lake would have her the election. The election day split was 70/30 and it's an easy argument that those who didn't vote because they were seeing Lake voters having issues would've been higher than the 70/30 split she did get.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 5:09 pm
Posted by Cali 4 LSU
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 5:08 pm to
This lady isn't even arguing. She is reading...
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