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re: Kari Lake Election Contest TRIAL! Viva & Barnes Live Commentary

Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:54 pm to
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:54 pm to
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If this is true:

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it's obvious some shenanigans went on in this election.


then why would this happen:

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there is no way this judge rules in Lake's favor


Makes no sense.


Do you really think the judge is going to order a new election - which is the only remedy for this issue? I think he should but I have no actual hope he will.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:01 pm to
That image they just showed calculated to 27.7% spoiled or misread ballots. 158 spoiled or misread vs 414 counted.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:02 pm to
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Yes. I'm not saying anything otherwise. I'm asking how does shrink-to-fit shrink a 20" image to 19" when the size of the print paper has not changed? You can't shrink a 20" image designed for 20" paper to 19" on the same 20" paper because of shrink-to-fit.



Are we certain all of the original images were 20"? These ballots are unique to each voter so some had a lot more on theirs than others. So even if every single printer had "shrink to fit" setting on, if the images aren't all the same it would only impact those that are too big.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60933 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:03 pm to
This trial, so far, has proven beyond a reasonable doubt this election was tampered with

And yet we know what will happen

So what’s next? Just accept we live in the USSA?
Posted by Cali 4 LSU
GEAUX TIGERS!
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:04 pm to
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Do you really think the judge is going to order a new election


I could be mistaken but doesn't Arizona have precedent of changing actual election results? I get being demoralized in this statement:

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I think he should but I have no actual hope he will.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
23008 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:06 pm to
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Are we certain all of the original images were 20"? T

Testimony yesterday from the Maricopa County Recorder and another Maricopa County employee, can't remember the actual position, said yes. There were no 19" images made. The only ones they made were 20".

ETA: It was actually this guy testifying now who was the second person.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 3:07 pm
Posted by Cali 4 LSU
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:10 pm to
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Testimony yesterday from the Maricopa County Recorder and another Maricopa County employee, can't remember the actual position, said yes. There were no 19" images made. The only ones they made were 20".

ETA: It was actually this guy testifying now who was the second person.



Are you saying he perjured himself? I didn't watch yesterday & haven't really followed all this...
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
23008 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:12 pm to
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Are you saying he perjured himself? I didn't watch yesterday & haven't really followed all this...

Not necessarily. He has just picked up the defense's argument that it was just shrink-to-fit that caused the shrinking of the image even though the only created image was 20".
Posted by Cali 4 LSU
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:17 pm to
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Not necessarily. He has just picked up the defense's argument that it was just shrink-to-fit that caused the shrinking of the image even though the only created image was 20".




Oh here we go on cross...
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
23008 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:18 pm to
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Oh here we go on cross...

Immediately called him out on it too.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63075 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:18 pm to
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Are we certain all of the original images were 20"? These ballots are unique to each voter so some had a lot more on theirs than others. So even if every single printer had "shrink to fit" setting on, if the images aren't all the same it would only impact those that are too big.



I think we are certain that he markings on the edge of the ballot image need to be consistent across all ballots in order for the system to be able to accurately tabulate the images.

To the degree that this is not the case, it is indicative of a major error (intentional or otherwise) of the system.

What are you suggesting?
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
23008 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:19 pm to
Of course the defense objected and the judge made him restate. The witness is straight up lying now.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:19 pm to
Here we go with the cross.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
23008 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:24 pm to
Let's assume the entire issue is print-to-fit. Sure, whatever. This guy just testified testing showed everything worked correctly and it must have been changed after. Doesn't that prove it was intentional?
Posted by Cali 4 LSU
GEAUX TIGERS!
Member since Sep 2007
6670 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:27 pm to
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Let's assume the entire issue is print-to-fit. Sure, whatever. This guy just testified testing showed everything worked correctly and it must have been changed after. Doesn't that prove it was intentional?


I know you don't have high hopes but how in the hell will they get away with this? Even IF unintentional, it isn't following procedure or proving their own chain of custody issues. Of course, I'm over my head in all of this....
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
42402 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:28 pm to
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Doesn't that prove it was intentional?


How else would it have been changed?

This alone should require another election.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
23008 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:29 pm to
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How else would it have been changed?

This alone should require another election.

The last answer where he said the printer settings were changed on election day absolutely proves intentionality in my mind.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
23008 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:30 pm to
Holy shite he just said they also had these same issues in November 2020. Shocking.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
42402 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:31 pm to
She just said human error. A human error would require another election.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 3:32 pm
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
23008 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:32 pm to
People appearing remotely drives me crazy. They really can't show up after being subpoenaed?
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