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Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:14 am to bizeagle
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can you imagine waiting in line at your voting precinct to find the system is FUBARed and then getting told to go to another precinct where you find another FUBARed system?
Do you know how many people checked out of one voting center to go to another? Less than 250. Of this group, all but 15 cast ballots. I'm going by memory, but the numbers are close to that.
Remember voting centers had multiple printers and tabulators. 70 voting centers with BO tabulators doesn't mean that's 70 voting centers you couldn't vote at.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:15 am to David_DJS
I am with you on the chain of custody thing. The witness yesterday showed the chain of custody problems.
To me, that is the more compelling argument. But there were identical chain of custody problems (demonstrable) in 2020 - and the Courts just ignored it bc they had a hesitancy to refuse to count the votes bc of the risk of disenfranchising voters who cast legal votes but the gvt fricked up their votes - not the legal voters.
They went belts and suspenders.
To me, that is the more compelling argument. But there were identical chain of custody problems (demonstrable) in 2020 - and the Courts just ignored it bc they had a hesitancy to refuse to count the votes bc of the risk of disenfranchising voters who cast legal votes but the gvt fricked up their votes - not the legal voters.
They went belts and suspenders.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:16 am to Wednesday
This woman's voice is terrible.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:20 am to David_DJS
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Remember voting centers had multiple printers and tabulators. 70 voting centers with BO tabulators doesn't mean that's 70 voting centers you couldn't vote at.
An incorrectly printed ballot wouldn't scan at ANY tabulator.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:20 am to TDTOM
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This woman's voice is terrible.
Reminds me of Jessica Tarlov. Nails against chalkboard.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:21 am to Wednesday
the way the system is designed to work is this: The voter takes their ballot out of the printer at the voting booth, walks it over to the tabulator/scanner, inserts it, watches the scanner scan it and waits for the scanner to confirm that it was read/cast with a visual LED confirmation light. If a voter cannot see the LED, there is no confirmation that the vote is accepted and counted. We have these Dominion voting systems at my precinct and that is how the process is supposed to work. Dropping the printed ballot in a drawer gives no confirmation that the vote was cast.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:21 am to MFn GIMP
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An incorrectly printed ballot wouldn't scan at ANY tabulator.
Yes, and that created chain of custody issues given how the county handled those ballots. I'm addressing the notion that there were loads of outrageously long lines.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:24 am to David_DJS
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Yes, and that created chain of custody issues given how the county handled those ballots. I'm addressing the notion that there were loads of outrageously long lines.
That's my fault for missing that. Sorry about that
I agree with you that the chain of custody issue is the real issue here. I also don't think long lines are necessarily disenfranchisement - no matter how long they are.
ETA: Although, I would be open to an argument that it would vary state by state. If a state has paid voting leave or not then any wait that crosses a paid voting leave requirement could possibly constitute disenfranchisement at that point.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 11:26 am
Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:24 am to TDTOM
Lake had time to document potential Lake voters who didn't cast a vote on Election Day. The Lake campaign should have solicited potential Lake voters to sign an affidavit declaring they were discouraged and disenfranchised from voting due to +40% of voting centers having troubles with their equipment. I'm not sure how many Lake voters didn't vote but if I were Lake I would have tried my damndest to produce a credible number before heading into a court proceeding.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:27 am to Bass Tiger
Did Lake feign using a dagger to kill an opponent? What is this hypothetical?
Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:30 am to MFn GIMP
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I agree with you that the chain of custody issue is the real issue here. I also don't think long lines are necessarily disenfranchisement - no matter how long they are.
Bingo.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:32 am to David_DJS
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An incorrectly printed ballot wouldn't scan at ANY tabulator.
right, the scanner/tabulator is scanning precise locations on ballots sheets. If the paper size is not correct it scans the wrong location on the paper. The scanner/tabulator will either collect and record the wrong information or it will record nothing at all. In fact, if the paper size is wrong, a scan error would be produced virtually every time. In Maricopa county, not only where the ballots on the wrong size paper but the printers ran out of toner/ink as well. There is no way all these scenarios could occur by accident.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:45 am to texridder
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You don't have any idea about this one way or the other, yet you ignorantly spout off about it regularly.
of course I do. You aren’t a lawyer. Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:46 am to texridder
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Lake's lawsuit had eight of the original ten claims dismissed at the motion to dismiss stage.
How many claims does it take to get the remedy she is requesting? Moron.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:57 am to CelticDog
I have no idea what you are talking about, racist scum
Posted on 12/22/22 at 12:00 pm to Bass Tiger
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I'm not sure how many Lake voters didn't vote but if I were Lake I would have tried my damndest to produce a credible number before heading into a court proceeding.
she did measure this. By exit polling and affidavits.
That's what the current witness is testifying about the number of people who definitively left. If she had done it by affidavit - it would have been "anecdotal."
The current witness has calculated the number of voters who did not vote bc of problems created by Maricopa county. The witnesses yesterday established that these problems were deliberately caused. Maricopa created a 19 inch ballot on election day ballots, for some ballots, and the ballots had to be 20 inches for the tabulators to read them. The 19 inch ballots couldn't be read by the tabulators. there was no other way for it to happen aside from intentionally. This intentional action caused the delays.
The delays made people leave. He conducted exit polling and determined that it was roughly 2% of the Election Day Voters or 50,000 people, 75% of which would have voted for Lake.
There is no other way to measure the number aside from using a statistician / pollster. I'm just trying to determine whether Arizona / Maricopa / Hobbs has any evidence that the number was meaningless i.e. to rebut that which was presented by Lake.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 12:15 pm to Wednesday
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The delays made people leave. He conducted exit polling and determined that it was roughly 2% of the Election Day Voters or 50,000 people, 75% of which would have voted for Lake.
The problems for our side rests here. The arguments we've made are a little squishy and largely based on conjecture. Example based on what you posted is this - it was unclear from testimony what fraction of in-person voters Baris was suggesting didn't show up at the polls. To get to the 50,000 figure, that's actually 20% of in-person voters. Does it stand up to scrutiny that 1 in 5 voters that intended to vote didn't vote, because they were frustrated by voting center issues they heard about? That is a tough argument to win with.
Also, it isn't discussed much here, but the undisputed fact that there were 223 voting centers, the average distance between them less than 2 miles, and this apparent ease/capacity for 250,000 voters makes it real hard to claim too many too long of lines that suppressed voting.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 12:20 pm to David_DJS
All I can say is I'm thankful for David_DJS and Wednesday for analyzing
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