re: Just four honest questions for all you "The election was stolen" people. Truly, I ask this

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People claiming that the largest most complex, most risky conspiracy in the history of the country should at some point be able to back those claims up.

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Illegal rule changes
Ballot harvesting
Unverified ballots
Vote count stopping
Midnight urban spikes
Banning auditors
Blocking out windows
Voting machine glitches
Voting machine irregularities
Refusal to cooperate

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Of course, I'm not going to pretend that the purpose of these things is anything other than conspiracy food.

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What is the destroyer of "conspiracy food"? Transparency is, my friend. Thorough, cooperative, transparent investigation is conspiracy's death knell.

Belittling and mischaracterizing investigative efforts while your brethren actively (desperately) obstruct them is of course itself contributory to the obstruction. The question is "Why obstruct?"

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That's you just completely making stuff up.

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Is it? Completely? Really?
So how much credence do you give to the premise there was widespread fraud in the 2020 election?

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muh russians you loser frick

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I don't give a shite about Russians. You just ascribed a view to me and then complained about said view. I hope that was fun for you. I know you have to keep your spirits up because you're a whiny little baby girl that can't accept that you messiah lost. Just keep crying it out, it'll get better.

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You reiterated my exact point. "Independent operations at the local level." I.e. smaller, independent operations working towards same goal. As I mentioned.

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I'm not reiterating your point. I'm saying that however you organize them, the more people involved in a conspiracy, the more points of failure.

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That vague assertion itself warrants further support and evidence, just as you're demanding.

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So we're going to pretend that Mike Lindell, Mike Ramsdenm Sindey Powell, Rudy Guliani, etc haven't been spouting nonsense about Krakens for the last 7 months? Fine.

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Again, I'd have to see the specifics as to what you're alleging there because that's not my recollection, that all those specific people stated that they believe NO election interference of any kind occurred.

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If you define it as 0, that means the guy who killed his wife and then voted for Trump her name proves you right. Let's just say the amount that happened was vanishingly rare and immaterial. Certainly nothing like the giant conspiracy you're claiming.

The problem is. I'll go through the trouble of digging out those statements and I guarantee you it will have 0 impact whatsoever. The conspiracy will just consume it. As an act of good faith.

Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud

Krebs: The 2020 election was the ‘most secure in American history

Georgia official Raffensperger: "We had safe, secure, honest elections"

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My point precisely, that you probably wouldn't be interested in anything short of outright confessions.

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lol.

You said that I would not be interested even if there were multiple confessions. I said, "sure I would; where are they? Now you're saying I would only be interested if there were confessions. That's not your point, it's a totally different point. You're moving goalpost. Incidentally, both of the views you ascribed to me are wrong. I've already laid out what it would take; the body:
1. Put into the public record a list of the names for a material number of the hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes
2. indictments against some of the thousands of participants in the "fraud."

Let's get some of that habeas corpus action. Now let's flip that around. What would convince you that there is no there here with respect to fraud?

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imagine believing trump colluded w russia and not the pedo joe and the chinese

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This theoretically could be a sweet burn if I gave a shite Trump being in bed with the Russians, but alas.

I'm just going to take the very first thing in your post that my eyes landed on, give it a once over, and no personal offense to you intended, but will assume the balance of the post would go about the same way.

Barr

Manipulated title:

"Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud"

Actual statement by Barr:

"Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election."



Bolded emphasis mine, of course. The word games they play here would be impressive if they weren't so blatantly obvious. An honest assessment of this particular item would (should) actually lead to the conclusion that the DOJ review to that point hadn't uncovered any such evidence, not that there's a definitive finding that none exists anywhere. The precise words are very important, but it's simply another example of media manipulation of the record.

Again, I'm completely comfortable in assuming the balance is more of the same, and I won't bore you with a wall of text regurgitating the same points over and over. And I do get that you disagree, so I'm not missing that point.

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This was all you election thievery supporters could talk about since BEFORE Trumps first inauguration - and ad infinitum from then until this day.

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As I said before, I don't give a shite about Russians. You just ascribed a view to me and then complained about said view. I hope that was fun for you. I know you have to keep your spirits up because you're a whiny little baby girl that can't accept that you messiah lost. Just keep crying it out, it'll get better

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I've already laid out what it would take; the body:
1. Put into the public record a list of the names for a material number of the hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes
2. indictments against some of the thousands of participants in the "fraud."

Let's get some of that habeas corpus action. Now let's flip that around. What would convince you that there is no there here with respect to fraud?

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the point of the false claims is to gin up frenzy for 2022.

the cockroaches running for house should be entertaining.
having to lie to get nominated.
this is Jesuit Inquisition now.
did you vote to know who did what on jan 6th?

Way off base. Because according to most, yes including many people who identify as rightists, the whole thing's a political liability. Surely you've picked up on that rather prevalent theme. So why would folks continue to devote their attention to seeking complete and full exposure of every fact, aspect and allegation, even in spite of the aforementioned potential political liability? Because they have a completely genuine and honest belief in the allegations at hand. You're perfectly free to dismiss their genuine and honest beliefs, but that's ultimately just an opinion itself. Your opinion. **All due respect.