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Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:29 am to davyjones
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In fact, it would seem to me that you'd want to explore the complexity of it to actually bolster your own position. As of now all you've got is "it definitely didn't happen merely because nobody's proven to me otherwise." That's taking the easiest and simplest angle possible.
Nah. People claiming that the largest most complex, most risky conspiracy in the history of the country should at some point be able to back those claims up. Instead, we get an ever-shifting, fact-resistant conspiracy that takes it as God's truth that Trump won and works backward from there.
This place is lousy with the carcasses from hundreds of dead Krakens since November. One of the reasons I'm convinced they spiked the election board is to memory-hold all of the ridiculous claims being made in there that would be embarrassing today. It is obvious that the election theft conspiracy is catechism to y'all and thus there will never stop being new Krakens. Given that, it's perfectly reasonable of me to say y'all have cried wolf enough, call me when you have some bodies.
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:34 am to longwayfromLA
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People claiming that the largest most complex, most risky conspiracy in the history of the country should at some point be able to back those claims up
4 god damned years of “Russians rigged the elections”..
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:38 am to CelticDog
quote:Negative.
unable to read the choices and spell out your reasoning.
The wording of the "choices" isn't inclusive at best, and is probably deliberately poor.
e.g., "You aren't ready to go so far as to say unequivocally that it was "stolen" but that, for example, some last minute changes in rules made it easier to do fraud IF someone had wanted to. But you are not ready to say that it did, at least not yet. It would have just been too easy in your opinion."
I am "ready to say unequivocally" rigging was in effect. To what degree remains to be seen. But investigation must proceed and a price for fraudulent efforts must be exacted.
Why?
Because a democracy cannot withstand perception of widespread fraud in its electoral processes, even if the perception of altered result is misplaced.
This post was edited on 5/29/21 at 8:40 am
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:55 am to longwayfromLA
You do indeed raise the two most salient issues in your post: (1) Is it too complex an operation to pull off; and (2) has there been any evidence in support of the allegations....and notice I don't say "Has there been any evidence *that I find sufficient* in support of the allegations". Because that's a matter for the eye of the beholder.
(1) No, it's not too complex when you look at it not in terms of one single centrally directed operation, but rather a patchwork of somewhat independent operations at more local levels, all based upon the same goal and understanding. Not necessarily the level of coordination required that you have set in your mind.
(2) Yes there's been plenty of evidence, and as is to be expected, those who align with your particular view of it have been and are completely dismissive of any and all evidence that's been disclosed in multiple ways. Let's face it, nothing short of numerous confessions would be sufficient to convince you. Even then it probably wouldn't either.
**And keep in mind that fraud is but one component of the illegitimate result. The other equally consequential component was the changes to state voting laws in violation of the Constitution....most all of which benefitting Biden.
(1) No, it's not too complex when you look at it not in terms of one single centrally directed operation, but rather a patchwork of somewhat independent operations at more local levels, all based upon the same goal and understanding. Not necessarily the level of coordination required that you have set in your mind.
(2) Yes there's been plenty of evidence, and as is to be expected, those who align with your particular view of it have been and are completely dismissive of any and all evidence that's been disclosed in multiple ways. Let's face it, nothing short of numerous confessions would be sufficient to convince you. Even then it probably wouldn't either.
**And keep in mind that fraud is but one component of the illegitimate result. The other equally consequential component was the changes to state voting laws in violation of the Constitution....most all of which benefitting Biden.
This post was edited on 5/29/21 at 8:58 am
Posted on 5/29/21 at 9:03 am to Dawgfanman
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4 god damned years of “Russians rigged the elections”..
Yeah, if this election theft thing were to result in nearly 40 indictments and a bunch of pleas deals such that Biden would feel the need to pardon a bunch of his own officials, I would give it a lot more credence. Instead of that Trump's own top election official and his AG said the election was free and fair.
Posted on 5/29/21 at 9:10 am to TigerFan55555
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Eurocat
i bet you still wear a mask...
Probably wears his mask.....in his vehicle....ALONE
Posted on 5/29/21 at 9:12 am to thetempleowl
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Eurocat is at 465 negatives.
Is this a new record?
Not even close to the record
Posted on 5/29/21 at 9:22 am to longwayfromLA
quote:A lot more credence than zero? Wow! what a concession. Why not just settle for cooperative transparency and let the chips fall where they may?
Yeah, if this election theft thing were to result in nearly 40 indictments and a bunch of pleas deals such that Biden would feel the need to pardon a bunch of his own officials, I would give it a lot more credence
The answer obviously lies in concern as to where those chips might fall. Clearly as a supporter of obstruction, you share the concern. Which in light of your denial of any "credence" makes you a hypocrite.
Posted on 5/29/21 at 9:30 am to Eurocat
-Yes.
-Not stolen
-There is enough evidence of irregularities to warrant an audit.
-Not a game. But our elections are important enough to investigate irregularities, I would hope.
My question to you: Are our elections important enough to warrant an audit of irregularities?
If you don't think irregularities should be investigated and audited, I need an explanation for how you reconcile with the importance of our elections.
-Not stolen
-There is enough evidence of irregularities to warrant an audit.
-Not a game. But our elections are important enough to investigate irregularities, I would hope.
My question to you: Are our elections important enough to warrant an audit of irregularities?
If you don't think irregularities should be investigated and audited, I need an explanation for how you reconcile with the importance of our elections.
This post was edited on 5/29/21 at 9:31 am
Posted on 5/29/21 at 9:33 am to Eurocat
You can see better if you get your head out of your butt.
Posted on 5/29/21 at 9:35 am to Eurocat
op is still a loser
Posted on 5/29/21 at 9:39 am to davyjones
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The other equally consequential component was the changes to state voting laws in violation of the Constitution....most all of which benefitting Biden.
All of which made a cattle call for fraud and cheating at all levels.
Posted on 5/29/21 at 9:40 am to davyjones
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(1) No, it's not too complex when you look at it not in terms of one single centrally directed operation, but rather a patchwork of somewhat independent operations at more local levels, all based upon the same goal and understanding. Not necessarily the level of coordination required that you have set in your mind.
This actually would make it harder not easier, since you'd be radically increasing your points of failure. So all over the country, this goes off like clockwork and no one cracks, no one gets too chatty with the wrong person, no one brags on social media. There is reason conspiracies are kept as small as possible.
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(2) Yes there's been plenty of evidence, and as is to be expected, those who align with your particular view of it have been and are completely dismissive of any and all evidence that's been disclosed in multiple ways.
There have been too many claims that have fallen apart as soon as they're interrogated. At some point, it becomes, "call me back when you got something." Even now, if you ask what is the single strongest bit of evidence that fraud occurred, you'll get back a ton of nonsense.
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Let's face it, nothing short of numerous confessions would be sufficient to convince you. Even then it probably wouldn't either.
There is better case that you're the one unwilling to be convinced. Trump's own top-election security guy says the election was fair. His own AG said it was fair. Top Republican election officials in key swing states say it was fair. But that hasn't moved you one inch away from believing this ridiculous conspiracy theory.
On the other hand, if you have a link to multiple people confessing to being a part of the grand conspiracy, I'd certainly listen. So should law enforcement. But of course, these confessions don't actually exist, so...
Posted on 5/29/21 at 9:42 am to Eurocat
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Just four honest questions for all you "The election was stolen" people. Truly, I ask this
A left winger truly asking or doing anything. I've heard it all now
Posted on 5/29/21 at 9:42 am to longwayfromLA
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There is better case that you're the one unwilling to be convinced. Trump's own top-election security guy says the election was fair. His own AG said it was fair. Top Republican election officials in key swing states say it was fair. But that hasn't moved you one inch away from believing this ridiculous conspiracy theory.
Imagine believing this
Posted on 5/29/21 at 9:51 am to CelticDog
you support a pedo in office
Posted on 5/29/21 at 9:52 am to NC_Tigah
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A lot more credence than zero? Wow! what a concession. Why not just settle for cooperative transparency and let the chips fall where they may?
The answer obviously lies in concern as to where those chips might fall. Clearly as a supporter of obstruction, you share the concern. Which in light of your denial of any "credence" makes you a hypocrite.
Nah. That's you just completely making stuff up. Opposition to cooperative transparency is more of Republican thing.
I'm pretty indifferent to the "audits." I mean, it's a waste of time, but if looking for bamboo or whatever is part of y'all's healing process, knock yourself out. Of course, I'm not going to pretend that the purpose of these things is anything other than conspiracy food. We all know that when yet another audit comes up empty you'll just envelope the non-finding into the conspiracy just like with the last umpteen audits.
Posted on 5/29/21 at 9:53 am to longwayfromLA
youre a fricking idiot for voting for this shite
*everything the democrats do is wrapped in a lie, their supporters are no different
*everything the democrats do is wrapped in a lie, their supporters are no different
This post was edited on 5/29/21 at 9:58 am
Posted on 5/29/21 at 9:58 am to SDVTiger
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Imagine believing this
Imagine believing that Krebs, Barr, and Raffensperger are all in on a conspiracy against Trump.
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