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re: Judge Sullivan asks judge to look at whether Flynn could be held in criminal contempt
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:35 pm to Turbeauxdog
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:35 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Weird that renowned barrister boosie is defending it.
Weird that most of your posts I see are you ad hom nipping at my heels and failing to address the merits or reaching to manufacture some disagreement with me on mundane nothingness.
Do better. I’m not that important. Maybe just let a few posts of mine slide by until you find one where I’m really wrong
This post was edited on 5/13/20 at 6:38 pm
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Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he's having another judge argue the government's position
It's even worse than that. The judge he appointed wrote an article in WaPo 2 days ago arguing that the Flynn case wasn't over and that the judge shouldn't enforce the motion to dismiss.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:36 pm to boosiebadazz
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, but capacity and mens rea are foundational elements of the criminal justice system so how do you ensure both are met during a plea?
again, it's all bullshite but it's how they have decided to construct our system. you can't ensure this, but when you create a system that forces 90%+ of cases to plea guilty, you have to allow the defendant to lie when entering that plea
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:36 pm to GalvoAg
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The funny thing is you hear from libs all the time about how a plea doesn’t mean anything because of dirty cops and prosecutors, wonder what’s different this time.
yes this is a huge hypocrisy moment for DEMs
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:36 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Isn’t there a “ best interest “ plea. Alford? Vague recollection , but not my wheel house. If his lawyers didn’t submit it that way they are idiots.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:38 pm to michael corleone
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If his lawyers didn’t submit it that way they are idiots.
that's a whole 'nother issue this would stir up
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:38 pm to Bunyan
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Because he is being partisan and attempting to ruin the life of an innocent man
Sullivan cowardly called Flynn a traitor at a hearing and then had to walk it back and apologize
The government set up a 33 year veteran and this POS judge doesn't give a damn. It's disgusting
From what I have read, he’s has a real independent streak. Also, I think the main issue is judges don’t like it when the government or any other lawyer change what they are saying to be true at the last minute. My guess is he’s going to ask a lot of hard questions to whatever government lawyer has to answer to gauge why they are making this change and what implications it has for other cases in the future.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:39 pm to SCLibertarian
Can the appellate court remove a trial judge for cause? I think he is giving ample reason to.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:40 pm to teke184
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Can the appellate court remove a trial judge for cause?
No
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:41 pm to boosiebadazz
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I have no idea what Sullivan will end up doing, but this case is a complicated mess that will almost assuredly be ultimately decided by a higher appellate court.
Who is going to appeal if the judge simply dismisses the case?
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:41 pm to moneyg
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Who is going to appeal if the judge simply dismisses the case?
who is going to argue the appeal if the judge doesn't?
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he's having another judge argue the government's position
It was clear this was his angle. I said last night he was looking for outside groups to act as the prosecution to fill the void left by the government dropping out.
So he cherry picks this frick who argues that: "Orange man bad and by extension when you look at 18USC 1028B we can surmise that Flynn is bad too. Of course binding precedent has been set previously in Muh V. Feelings thus it would be exceedingly rare but prudent that the court uphold the plea."
Jusge Sullivan then comes back: "ahhh well uhh thanks to the friends of the court, I've considered his objective opinion and application of the law and I've decided to apply his advice.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:42 pm to LSU2ALA
Maybe he's doing his due diligence to ensure no one can allege abuse of power by DOJ even though it's obvious to those educated on the situation understand why Flynn should and will be exonerated. The media is pushing the narrative that the DOJ under Trump just randomly dropped the charges and leave out the details. Most of the population have no clue what really happened.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:44 pm to teke184
Powell will most certainly file a recusal motion. 24 amicus denials for Flynn and then the court reverses its own precedent by appointing someone who has publicly stated his position. I would imagine the court would deny the motion. I believe it can then be appealed to the Court of Appeals, as it's an exception to the general bar on interlocutory appeals.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:44 pm to SmackoverHawg
So changing a plea now amounts to perjury? shite....hundreds of thousands of people poll le should go to jail since, you know, pleas are changed every day. This is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 5/13/20 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:44 pm to LSU2ALA
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Also, I think the main issue is judges don’t like it when the government or any other lawyer change what they are saying to be true at the last minute.
The government withheld Brady material from Flynn for THREE YEARS proving he was set up. Of course the defense will change their tune because now there is irrefutable evidence that there was prosecutorial misconduct in this case
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:45 pm to boosiebadazz
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Flynn swore under oath the factual predicate was true when he plead. That’s the complicating factor.
Flynn obviously had zero firsthand knowledge of one of the key elements of the "crime": that the agents he talked to were conducting a legitimate investigation.
Since the government has since determined that they were not conducting a legitimate investigation, lying to them is not a crime.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:46 pm to moneyg
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Who is going to appeal if the judge simply dismisses the case?
Good point. When Sullivan gives the amici parties standing to appeal all the wheels have fallen off
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:46 pm to rumproast
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shite....hundreds of thousands of people poll le should go to jail since, you know, please are changed every day. This is ridiculous.
and tens of thousands of prosecutors should be indicted for conspiracy to submit perjury and disbarred for doing so as well
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