re: John Oliver breaks down Medicare for All

also just watched the video. the 2 biggest issues (cost and rationing, which are intertwined) were basically skipped over with a "sure this may be worse than today, but here is some tangential story/comment about the UK/Canada"

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if you get into this with a true believer it's scary

there is no reason that a M4A-style plan requires the outlawing of private care outside of that system, but they will parrot those talking points without any substance to the point of anger. it's fricking CRAZY

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Even in the UK about 20% (and growing) of all healthcare provided is private.

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It makes sense

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The government runs the mail service and amtrack and lose billions. Only a dumbass would want them running your healthcare.

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And how the entire insurance sector will need to find other means of employment?

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Right, it's totally asinine. People who work, and have invested time/money in creating a career for themselves will have their jobs disappear or their salaries cut in half in order to "help" people who don't want to make those sacrifices to make their own lives better?

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but says it would be worth it

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For who?

Sure as hell would not be worth it for me.

It's embarrassing that their frontrunner is proposing a $90 trillion budget over 10 years and he's complaining about deficits driven by social security and healthcare. Good stuff.

I refuse to give bird beak a click. Go back and look at all the shite he’s been wrong about. Dude loved him some globalism. He can go back to the EU if he doesn’t like our healthcare.

I disagree with the premise that health care is a “right,” and I oppose ANY expansion of the federal government as a matter of principle, so Oliver and I start from a very different point.

But, as usual, the responses here seem to largely be from people who are unwilling to even LISTEN to an opposing viewpoint and who thus did not even bother to watch the segment.

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Didn't watch. I'll just assume he lied as usual.

Move back to England

perfect specimen of a weak nu-male beta cuck

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The segment was far more substantive than the average response on this thread.

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cliffs?

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A reasonably objective, comedic analysis of some of the positives and negatives of a single-payer system from someone who admittedly favors such a system. Most of the laugh-lines are intended to support single-payor.

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I watched this earlier today and it avoids numerous key details.

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Of course. It was a short comedic review, not a seminar. He was quite clear that there are many difficulties and unanswered questions.

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Watched through cost, the most important issue. Mentions that premiums will be eliminated.

Please tell me what the new item showing up on my payroll tax is.

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He specifically said he was willing to assume for discussion a tax increase of 100%. He then indicated that the increase would be offset (in whole or part) by elimination of premiums/deductibles/copays, and SPECIFICALLY acknowledged that no one knows whether the net financial effect would be a net saving or net loss.

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If I interpret his views correctly, if it ends up costing more (no one really knows at this point), then it would be worth it because more people would be covered

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This was indeed a part of his argument.

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When the VA can run efficiently and in a cost-effective manner,

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There is a reason that the term “government ran” is always fixed to a negative connotation. I have zero doubt that DMV, post office, etc... could be outsourced to a private firm. Capitalism is almost always a better option to anything ran by the government. Look at the oldest toll roads and compare that to some of the newest infrastructure. When it comes to my health - I am not trusting any fricking politician to have my interest at best.