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re: Its time for conservatives to abandon elite colleges

Posted on 12/17/25 at 11:36 am to
Posted by BigTigerJoe
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Posted on 12/17/25 at 11:36 am to
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 12/17/25 at 11:38 am to
From what I’ve seen, the benefits of “prestigious” universities tends to be in networking rather than quality of education.


You can get a good education from many schools but, depending on what your long term ambitions are, certain schools set you up better than others.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
59103 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 2:46 pm to
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Well, he's better off financially than his own uncle who has a law degree from Harvard.
another anecdote

The average Harvard grad is better off than the average UT grad, and the average UT grad is better off than the average SFA grad
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Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
59103 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 2:47 pm to
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They arent. People just are addicted to rage bait and think every kid sent to a Northeastern school ends up brainwashed.
I hate to admit it but you’re 100% right in this thread
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6074 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 2:51 pm to
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Georgia Tech

Great choice, way better than Brown or Dartmouth for Engineering.

Princeton is better if she wanted to be deeper into fundamental research, but for the other 99.9% of Engineering jobs GT is way better.

CM is the best for CS, but GT is top notch across the board.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10594 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 2:55 pm to
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If you send children into situations where everything around them is setup to condition them to accept a specific worldview, the odds of them sustaining four years against that without anything to balance out that messaging is virtually nil.


I don't know that they are nil, but they ain't good, and I've known several parents just like Roger who thought it couldn't happen to them, and it did.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
59103 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 2:55 pm to
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don't know that they are nil, but they ain't good, and I've known several parents just like Roger who thought it couldn't happen to them, and it did.
it happens at LSU & similar schools too
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
16579 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 2:58 pm to
Former Governor of Indiana writes -

LINK

I was a red state governor. What I saw at Harvard surprised me.

By Eric Holcomb

Eric Holcomb, a Republican, was the governor of Indiana from 2017 to 2025.

In January, I completed two terms as governor of Indiana. This fall, I did what all red state Republicans do (right?): spent a semester teaching at Harvard University. As someone who believes that restoring our communities is among America’s greatest challenges, my goal was to see if the foundation of an open-minded, problem-solving community still existed in a place far removed from my own cultural comfort zone. It does.

Friends warned me that a den of woke lions would maul me or try to turn me into one of them. Neither happened. I suffered no grievous insults, surrendered none of my conservative principles and witnessed no disruptive behavior on a quiet campus. Contrary to my side’s worst fears, I found students from a wide range of circumstances. Harvard’s freshmen hail from all 50 states; one in five is a first-generation college student; half pay no tuition thanks to Harvard’s endowment; and 16 percent are military veterans. The students in my “Leading Through Divisive Times” seminar shared their broad views while listening respectfully to mine and others. My fellow faculty experienced the same.

I found a community that didn’t always agree but could still talk with each other and work together toward the greater good, which in Harvard’s case includes education, discovery and the development of ideas and technologies.

To dismiss my experience, today’s online denizens at both ends of the political horseshoe will probably come to the same conclusion: “He must be a centrist squish aligned with Harvard’s elite orthodoxy.” I have long been, and remain, a low-tax fiscal conservative and supporter of free markets; highly skeptical of hyper regulation, social engineering and culture-war fads; a peace-through-strength U.S. Navy veteran; pro-life, pro-liberty and pro-faith. That’s not the elite profile of late.

Yes, Harvard offers courses that deconstruct the Western canon. It also features classes such as “Using Markets to Solve Social Problems” and “Central Challenges of American National Security,” taught by nonpartisan thinkers. Yes, you may still find the intellectual underpinnings of Harvard’s embarrassing anti-Israel encampments in some clubs and faculty lounges. You will also find a new president, an observant Jew, who is making sure that similar disruptions of campus life and blatant antisemitism do not reappear, even as serious conservative speakers show up again.

Rest at the link
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297024 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 3:01 pm to
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What I do not want is political and economic indoctrination when I paid big $$ for an education.


Mine is interested in politics, she's already immersed. She will go to law school and wants a career in politics. The connections at certain schools are highly beneficial for that.

I'm no fan of "college indoctrination" but its a two way street, it has to be given and accepted. At some point you have to trust your kids and stop micromanaging.

I dont know where my granddaughter will end up but it will most likely be one of the schools that is bashed here quite often. I have to trust that I've done a good job and let her choose her path. She's smarter than I, and I have to have some faith in what I have helped instill.


This post was edited on 12/17/25 at 3:02 pm
Posted by 844_Tiger
Down_Under
Member since Jul 2021
246 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 3:02 pm to
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Its time for conservatives to abandon elite colleges


This is an absolutely stupid take. If conservatives want to influence mainstream culture they 100% have to be in these institutions and be vocal about their beliefs within these institutions.
Burying your head in the sand and hiding away at Oral Roberts isn't going help any conservative cause.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86182 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 3:02 pm to
Just don't be white and you will be alright.


Posted by beaux duke
Member since Oct 2023
3296 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 3:03 pm to
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Public education is a joke. It should be either private or put the wife to work and homeschool. That’s it.

brown is a private university
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86182 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 3:03 pm to
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I dont know where my granddaughter will end up


Judging by her grandfather she will end up a tranny with a cat.



Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297024 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 3:07 pm to
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Judging by her grandfather she will end up a tranny with a cat.


Thats MAGA for you.

Any new stimulus checks for the baws?
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52285 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 4:13 pm to
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So only the best colleges and universities are the bad ones, ok.

They are not the best; they are the most selective. But once selected, their students get a mixed bag of carcinogenic indoctrination and exposure to some of the most brilliant professors in the world. Plus, the academic bar is set very low for the DEQ students sake.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
59103 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 4:55 pm to
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They are not the best; they are the most selective. But once selected, their students get a mixed bag of carcinogenic indoctrination and exposure to some of the most brilliant professors in the world. Plus, the academic bar is set very low for the DEQ students sake.

ok - what are the best universities?
Posted by Bayou_Tiger_225
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
12500 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:18 pm to
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My granddaughter has solid values
You have two high school seniors in your house, one of which is your granddaughter?

You have a daughter and granddaughter the same age?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297024 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:22 pm to
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You have a daughter and granddaughter the same age?


No, lifelong friend of granddaughter. Her parents and grandparents are dead, and she wants to graduate here so she's living with us for the last two years of HS. If not she would have to go to Florida with her older sister.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125514 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:28 pm to
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brown is a private university


It’s private university like an NGO is a private company. They probably take in far less money in tuition than they do in grants and government contracts. And grants will be larger than contracts.
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
5595 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:51 pm to
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Typical MAGA working class populist. Cant discuss issues so you insult.


Roger, you should repent for this post. You have used insults in posts more than SFP has used “strawman”.
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