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It's happening. Washington is the first state to terminate a public employee pension plan!

Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:09 pm
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
23067 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:09 pm
Well, I mean, the state of Washington needs the money. Other states are licking their chops. Hopefully, none of you have sacrificed your time and temple for your state.



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Washington just became the first state in U.S. history to terminate a public employee pension plan.

The plan belongs to retired police officers and firefighters. LEOFF Plan 1 was 160% funded as of June 2024 per the state's own actuarial valuation. It had not required a single contribution in 25 years. By 2029 it was projected to reach 200% funded with a $4.3 billion surplus.

The legislature terminated the plan, swept $3.9 billion, and is using $880 million of it to refill a rainy day fund it already drained to cover a deficit it created.

Days ago, retired first responders including former Congressman Dave Reichert sued the state to stop it. The bill passed the House 55-39 and was advanced out of Appropriations without a public hearing. Every yes vote was a Democrat. The governor signed it in April.

I publish the full research and sourced breakdowns on Substack every week. Search Shane Kidwell if you want the deeper dive.

I sacrificed my body and a good chunk of my life for our state, they committed to providing a benefit for me and raided it.
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
43196 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:11 pm to
They shouldn't be allowed to do this.
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
2402 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:12 pm to
I hope that is not legal. Unreal.
Posted by ForTheWin81
Member since Nov 2021
1690 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:16 pm to
I grew up the grandson of a JFK democrat union worker, after years of frustration I finally left during Covid/BLM. At this point what else can democrats do to show you they dgaf about you..... they're probably over budget cause they're feeding and giving illegals health care
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
95027 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:16 pm to
Someone responsible for voting yes will probably get killed over this.

But just goes to show that these people elected to office don’t care about you. They lie to your face for a vote just so they can get into power, yet people still eat their bullshite up as long as their team is winning.
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
15759 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:16 pm to
You wish to change course, fine, but not by dumping current beneficiaries. You caused this problem, find another way to fix your mess
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
23067 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:18 pm to
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I hope that is not legal. Unreal.


It is. However, I have always felt public pension liability was certainly going to be a problem for this country one day. I pray they sue the pants off of these greedy government bureaucrats.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104026 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:19 pm to
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You caused this problem, find another way to fix your mess


This is what SHOULD happen.

Reality is that they will look for the easiest solution possible, especially since mail in elections make it very easy to circumvent attempts to remove the politicians who did this.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128779 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:21 pm to
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Washington House Bill 2034 (HB 2034) terminates and restates the Law Enforcement Officers’ and Firefighters’ Plan 1 (LEOFF 1), effective 2029, and authorizes the transfer of surplus pension assets for other state uses. While the bill maintains benefit continuity for members, it redirects a significant portion of current plan assets away from pension funding and toward the Climate Commitment Account (CCA) and the State General Fund.


From Reason, fwiw.
Which is practically Communist now for some reason.
LINK
Posted by SingleMalt1973
Member since Feb 2022
24357 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:21 pm to
Get in bed with the gubment and the moment the Bolsheviks take over you are fricked. A bunch of Russian Farmers had their land confiscated by Stalin in 1928
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
95027 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:21 pm to
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Reality is that they will look for the easiest solution possible, especially since mail in elections make it very easy to circumvent attempts to remove the politicians who did this.


I’d be willing to bet my life that the terms “racism and sexism” or “white privileged” will absolutely be thrown in the quotes that come from these people responsible
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128779 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:22 pm to
Close.

Climate Action
Posted by AURulz1
Member since May 2022
615 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:22 pm to
Somebody is going to go off the rails on this one. Straight up pulling the rug out from under people seems criminal. Someone is gonna snap.
Posted by Mushroom1968
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2023
6299 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:22 pm to
Regardless of what you think of first responders, the private owned departments have been tried and failed. People aren’t going to do that line of work with just a 401k. Nobody wants to still be doing that kind of stuff in their 60s and 70s, at least very few will. I know this isn’t about privatization but I’ve seen that thrown around here before. Most of the time they go back to public after a few years and are always having to play catch up.

You can hate the pension first responders get, but that’s the main way to get them

Eta: Some ems crews can do it, usually have extremely high turnover at those places though
This post was edited on 5/6/26 at 6:24 pm
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115431 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:23 pm to
Wow...
Posted by 10thyrsr
Texas
Member since Oct 2020
1145 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:24 pm to
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Retired firefighter Shane Kidwell criticizes Washington state for terminating LEOFF Plan 1, the pension for police and firefighters hired before 1977, calling it the first such action in U.S. history as the overfunded plan (160% in 2024, projected 200%+ by 2029) required no contributions for 25 years.
HB 2034, passed by Democrats (House 55-39) and signed by Gov. Bob Ferguson in April 2026, ends the original plan effective June 2029 and restates it while redirecting ~$3.9B surplus to the general/rainy day fund and $569M to the Climate Commitment Account, leaving the new plan at 110% funded.
Retirees including ex-Congressman Dave Reichert have sued to block the asset sweep, arguing it violates pension protections despite bill language ensuring uninterrupted benefits, COLAs, and medical coverage for current members.




So this sucks, but the plan (which is for people hired before 1977) is still 110 percent funded.

They should have rolled it into LEOFF plan 2, but this won't affect anyone.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
23067 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:24 pm to
In the very least, you would think the state would treat it as a loan from the pension with state assets a collateral.

Greedy M'fers!!
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104026 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:24 pm to
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Someone is gonna snap.


Maybe that is the intent. Sacrifice a low level politician to blame retired cops for violence.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128779 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:25 pm to
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but this won't affect anyone.


Until it does.
Posted by cymark
Member since Oct 2015
215 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:25 pm to
It’s for retirees so no one is accruing additional benefits and no one will lose any benefits, right? I don’t think this is overly concerning.

Now, if it was a plan actively accruing benefits, you’d have a story. All of those in this particular plan will be made whole and either get their monthly annuity from another annuity provider or get a lump sum.
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