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Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:58 am to Boatshoes
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I'm just trying to wake some of you up
Nah
That ain't what you're doing
Posted on 3/10/20 at 6:04 am to PhDoogan
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Oh yeah, the last pseudo-personal experience I had with healthcare in Italy involved a friend in a hospital room shared with several strangers and their dogs.
Another thing about Italy, a hell of a lot of people there, live in some very old buildings, work in very old buildings, They are surrounded by very old buildings. You know what old buildings tend to have? Craploads of mold and mildew, and that affects a lot of people, I doubt that Italians are immune to it.
I imagine that respiratory problems are very common there and that a big part of their population probably have pre-existing conditions that make this type of illness dangerous for them, even young people.
Different situation from here.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 6:06 am to Boatshoes
Thatsa spicy meat-a-ball!...
Posted on 3/10/20 at 6:09 am to Boatshoes
What is a typical work day in Italy...4 hours. Hell, two of four hours are probably government mandated coffee breaks. I don't doubt that this is speading, or that it can be fatal to the elderly or those with weakened immune systems, but hearing this guy lament over his 8 hour work day is brutal.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 6:25 am to Boatshoes
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25-30k elderly and at risk people die every year due to flu in the us even with our hospital systems.
What do you think those numbers would look like if there was no vaccine for influenza?
Flu vaccine is only 40-60% effective (so let's say 50%). So, even if you pretend that every single old person in the country gets the vaccine and then you pretend the vaccine didn't exist, there would only be 25-30k additional deaths in a country of 330 million. That's losing an additional 0.009% of the population each year. It's not really something to get all worked up over.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 6:32 am to thetempleowl
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the middle road is the correct road. A healthy respect for this virus is best. What is the goal here is to slow down the infections till three warmer weather comes which coronavirus does not like. That will slow infections even more. Italy totally screwed the pooch on this one. Whole we started slow by the end of the week we will be up and running full. I think the fear over this is overblown, but as said I have a healthy respect for this virus and want to slow the spread of the virus.
fricking this
Posted on 3/10/20 at 6:33 am to Boatshoes
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There is a vaccine for influenza. The majority of elderly people get it. What do you think those numbers would look like if there was no vaccine for influenza?
Is the vaccine for the strain of the flu that actually hits? I seem to remember within the last 2 years the vaccine being for an incorrect strain of the flu, yet the word didn’t shut down
Posted on 3/10/20 at 6:33 am to Boatshoes
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 6:37 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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I posted early on in one of these threads that I'm reading (still haven't finished) a book by Dennis Quammen, Spillover which covers what happened and will happen when these viruses spill out from animals into humans. SARS is the coronavirus example he covered and he predicted the possibility of millions dying from one of these outbreaks.
SARS killed 813 people, so he was only 123,000% off. And that's only for 1,000,000, not the millions he said.
He sounds like someone that predicts the world will end in 12 years from climate change.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 6:42 am to Malik Agar
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Because the death rate is not the only thing causing problems with this disease. The rapid strain on health care systems is probably the most dangerous thing about this whole situation. Italian hospitals are being overwhelmed by this and I'm not sure we're as prepared as we should be for it.
Do you think that people like yourself making this out to be worse than it is are not contributing to the problem of an overstrained healthcare system?
Posted on 3/10/20 at 7:03 am to tide06
Flu vaccine effectiveness is 40%-60% in reducing illness depending on strain and year, not 20%-40%...and the CFR for this is worse than influenza by orders of magnitude.
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 7:05 am
Posted on 3/10/20 at 7:08 am to Boatshoes
quote:Dubious!
Flu vaccine effectiveness is 40%-60%
e.g., Compare this season's spread and stats with the 2009 strain for which there was no vaccine until months into the outbreak..
Posted on 3/10/20 at 7:09 am to Boatshoes
Posted on 3/10/20 at 7:12 am to Oilfieldbiology
Our economy would fall into a depression if economic activity halted for two weeks. That is the bigger concern.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 7:23 am to NIH
the disadvantage of having a country 3000 miles wide and 1500 miles tall is that we aren't going to be able to enact fully organized/collectivized prevention efforts (why some of the stats "per million" are silly, along with timing issues)
the advantage of having a country 3000 miles wide and 1500 miles tall is that a full shutdown nationwide is all but impossible
this is also going to highlight some urban/rural divide. you want to promote super congested, cosmopolitan urban areas as our national identity? cool, well it's not just rent that is an issue. you have to deal with these outlier events, too.
the advantage of having a country 3000 miles wide and 1500 miles tall is that a full shutdown nationwide is all but impossible
this is also going to highlight some urban/rural divide. you want to promote super congested, cosmopolitan urban areas as our national identity? cool, well it's not just rent that is an issue. you have to deal with these outlier events, too.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 7:30 am to SlowFlowPro
I 100% agree
I’m just saying these people acting as if a two weeks plus long quarantine isn’t a big deal of a sacrifice will be screaming when they’re laid off, aren’t paid for weeks, or their business goes to shite.
I’m just saying these people acting as if a two weeks plus long quarantine isn’t a big deal of a sacrifice will be screaming when they’re laid off, aren’t paid for weeks, or their business goes to shite.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 7:33 am to NIH
I guess we should take the word of TD's largest conspiracy theorist (boar ed), who sits alone and angry probing the internet all day to find anything that fits his LARP fantasy. He does this day after day posting terrible links and calculating random numbers looking for some meaning because his life sucks and has to live it out in some virtual reality. Now he is here lecturing people about posting fake crap. lol
Yea, it's not fathomable at all that hospitals' intensive care units are overrun given the known, incontestable numbers. That could never happen. After all, they did just shut down the entire country shortly after quarantining major regions. Just ignore all of that. Hospitals having surge crises is nothing but a larger play at taking the president down.
Yea, it's not fathomable at all that hospitals' intensive care units are overrun given the known, incontestable numbers. That could never happen. After all, they did just shut down the entire country shortly after quarantining major regions. Just ignore all of that. Hospitals having surge crises is nothing but a larger play at taking the president down.
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 7:46 am
Posted on 3/10/20 at 7:41 am to NIH
after the weekend's events, there are no jobs left in LA so it's irrelevant
Posted on 3/10/20 at 7:42 am to SlowFlowPro
ouch
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