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re: Islam respect Jesus as a prophet. Jews were part responsible for Jesus death.

Posted on 3/29/26 at 8:38 pm to
Posted by Tammany Tom
Mandeville
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 3/29/26 at 8:38 pm to
Choosing to hate Islam over Israel is the same as choosing to hate the pawns over the Puppet Masters.

People hate the patsy rather than the mastermind behind the crime.
Posted by Canon951
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 3/29/26 at 8:45 pm to
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Yes all guilty of sin. But scripture tells us in both of those passages that we are all guilty of His death. The Roman soilders weren’t Jews. Pilate wasn’t a Jew. If you think he wasn’t guilty just because he washed his hands is not true. He still had authority to stop it and he didn’t. To think that everyone in the crowd were Jewish, is just silly. This took place on Friday morning early and was most likely a protest put in place by the Sanhedrin to stir up trouble.


I don't think we disagree that we are all guilty of sin and responsible for Jesus having to die for us. But the Romans would not have killed Jesus without pressure from the jews. Pilate was trying his best to turn him loose. I never said or implied that Pilate wasn't guilty. He could have shut it down for sure. From scripture in John 19 it is clear that the audience calling for his death is jewish.

6 As soon as the chief priests and their officials saw him, they shouted, “Crucify! Crucify!”

But Pilate answered, “You take him and crucify him. As for me, I find no basis for a charge against him.”

7 The Jewish leaders insisted, “We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God.”
.......

Pilate said. “Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?”

11 Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”

“Here is your king,” Pilate said to the Jews.

15 But they shouted, “Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!”

“Shall I crucify your king?” Pilate asked.

“We have no king but Caesar,” the chief priests answered.


So I don't disagree with you that all of us are guilty. There were non jews probably present in addition to the Romans....agreed. However, its clear that the jewish leaders stirred up the crowd and physically caused the death of jesus at the hands of the romans.
Posted by Guntoter1
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2020
1758 posts
Posted on 3/29/26 at 8:46 pm to
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What separates Jesus’ sacrifice from that of a soldier or police officer killed in duty?


"Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possible dare to die.
But God demonstrates his love for us in this: That while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

Pauls letter to the Romans Chapter 5
This post was edited on 3/29/26 at 8:48 pm
Posted by schexyoung
Deaf Valley
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/29/26 at 8:52 pm to
Are you ignorant, stupid, or malicious? Maybe a combination?
Posted by ELVIS U
Member since Feb 2007
11821 posts
Posted on 3/29/26 at 8:52 pm to
Their Bible says he wasn't resurrected and wasn't the son of man and the son of God. Their Bible is wrong.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
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Posted on 3/29/26 at 8:53 pm to
Nah. He just hates him some jews.
Posted by lsugorilla
PNW
Member since Sep 2009
6704 posts
Posted on 3/29/26 at 8:58 pm to
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Why do we hate Islam? lol, This fricking tard right here guys


Jesus teaches us to love everyone no matter how hard.
Posted by Canon951
Member since May 2020
618 posts
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:05 pm to
I don't think anyone hates islamic people but their religion is a counterfeit death cult and anyone who is a Christian hates any religion that doesn't teach the truth.

Let me edit this for clarity....Salvation is by faith in Christ. Anyone that teaches others something other than that is punching their ticket to hell and we don't want people to go to hell. Therefore it is understandable to hate false teaching that leads people away from the truth. Not to mention all the beheading and stuff some of those monsters do.
This post was edited on 3/29/26 at 9:09 pm
Posted by NoBoDawg
Member since Feb 2014
2228 posts
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:07 pm to
[quote]Why do we hate Islam and support Israel?

Are you serious? If so…this is a perfect time to dive into the Bible during Holy week to better understand Christ’s death & resurrection.
Posted by yakster
Member since Mar 2021
4103 posts
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:31 pm to
6&7 are talking about the leaders that wanted Him crucified. Peter in Acts 4:27 said that it was Herod, Pilate, with the Gentiles along with the house of Israel that was guilty of crucifying Him.
If it was indeed all Jews in the crowd then wouldn’t they have known that in the Old Testament Zechariah declared that a fathers sin could not be charged to their children.
Posted by DomincDecoco
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Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:37 pm to
frick em
Posted by Kafka
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:38 pm to
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Choosing to hate Islam over Israel is the same as choosing to hate the pawns over the Puppet Masters.

People hate the patsy rather than the mastermind behind the crime.
this shows why arguing with these people is pointless

whatever you say, they reply the jooz are behind it
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:38 pm to
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Why do we hate Islam and support Israel?

Possibly the stupidest question in the history of the Rant empire.
Posted by Sp0728
Your head
Member since Aug 2018
2335 posts
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:41 pm to
Should Hate Islam and Jews


Jews hate us… it’s in their Talmud

Both need To Go
Posted by Defenseiskey
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2010
2155 posts
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:43 pm to
We should support neither
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3693 posts
Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:21 pm to
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Muslims don't respect the Jesus of the bible. They created their own version to suit their erroneous dogma.

The Quran says “the gospel” is the inspired word of God and that Jesus is the greatest prophet second only to Muhammad. Maybe they created some aspects of their version of Jesus, but there were Torah-observant historicist Christians (perhaps descendants of the Ebionites) living in Arabia. The scholarly consensus is that Islam is an offshoot of those Christians. The Quran even has material from what we’d consider apocryphal gospels but the Ebionites might have held them as authoritative. For example, the Quran verse about Jesus forming doves out of clay and then clapping his hands and bringing the birds to life (and flying away) was straight out of the infancy gospel of Thomas.

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On the flip side, Palm Sunday always reminds me that Pilate gets a bad rap with respect to the Jews. He was more atonished at the Jews

That’s an allegorical tale, not meant to be taken literally. It’s not historical.

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for choosing to.save Barrabas over Jesus.

How many Catholics in church today knew that Barabbas literally means “son of the father”? The gospel reading today was from Matthew - the earliest manuscripts call Barabbas… “Jesus Barabbas”. Who does Pilate release? Jesus son of the father, or Jesus the one called Christ? This is an allegorical remake of the Yom Kippur (day of atonement) ritual where the high priest gets two identical goats, casts lots, loads a goat with sin and releases it to the wilderness, and then sacrifices the other goat as a stand in for Yahweh their patron deity.

The second reading was an excerpt of Philippians 2. How may Catholics in church today actually caught from the scripture that Jesus only earned his name “Jesus” after he had been crucified, but not before, according to Paul?

Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
Member since Mar 2009
91097 posts
Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:43 pm to
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one of them clearly wants me to convert or die.


or live in dhimmitude and pay the jizya tax
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
7938 posts
Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:45 pm to
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this shows why arguing with these people is pointless

whatever you say, they reply the jooz are behind it


Its like how certain communities think that all white people run the world, and that Billy from Kentucky somehow can give the magic handshake to William from Boston and get the job over non whites...
Posted by PastorJ
Member since Sep 2024
886 posts
Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:45 pm to
Well, the Jesus in the Quran is not at all the Jesus in the New Testament. Islam made a false version to justify their evil religion. It's not even close to the real thing.

Jews and Gentiles are equally responsible for the death of Jesus. So are you, so are we all. It was our sins that put Jesus on the cross.

Muslims today, on Palm Sunday, murdered Christians in Nigeria. Muslims constantly murder Christians. So yeah, you Jew Hate talking point fails at every level.
This post was edited on 3/29/26 at 10:56 pm
Posted by PastorJ
Member since Sep 2024
886 posts
Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:47 pm to
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Well, and the Talmud says Jesus is boiling in excrement for mocking the rabbis.


Do you even know what the Talmud is? I bet not. Also, I have seen Western artists make "art" but putting a crucifix in a jar of urine. I have seen Americans rip up the Bible and assault Christians. So, do all Westerners hate Christians?
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