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re: Islam once again being a scourge on humanity
Posted on 9/15/26 at 7:33 am to Obtuse1
Posted on 9/15/26 at 7:33 am to Obtuse1
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“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
You can't effectively oppose something you don't understand.
This went over his head. He also hates Arabs in general, even the Christian ones.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 8:44 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:I actually did. I had it translated into English first, but then I read the entire thing.
Theres no way that you read that paper.
This post was edited on 9/15/26 at 8:45 am
Posted on 9/15/26 at 8:58 am to Kenna City Solja
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Hopefully Trump saves this bimbo
Why?
Posted on 9/15/26 at 3:59 pm to FooManChoo
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When sharing “facts”, I’d suggest not using words like “probably” which show uncertainty, and likely just your opinion based on shoddy research, like you’ve exhibited in the past.
You’re confused. The fact is that Islam is a branch of Christianity. The probably part is that Islam probably was a branch of Ebionites Christianity, though it could have come from a similar sect that also believed Jesus was not divine and who kept kosher law.
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Your hatred of Christianity blinds you from seeing the truth
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1) “Islam is certainly from a sect of Christians outside Roman control in Arabia. Probably the Ebionites “the poor ones.”: there is a minority position that believes this, but it had been rebutted in a 2020 peer-reviewed paper.
You read this, did you Foo?
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2) “Remember when “Jesus” said “Blessed are the poor in spirit”? He was talking about the ancestors of what became Islam.” No, He wasn’t. No Christian sect believes the sermon in the mount, especially the beatitudes that you referenced, are prophetic.
Foo, you out should know by now I don’t believe in prophecy. I was talking about Jesus referring to the Ebionites - the poor in spirit - the Jewish Christian sect that most likely gave rise to Islam in the Arabian peninsula.
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3) “They believed Jesus was the second greatest prophet who paved the way for Mohammed.” You will need to cite your source for this one. There is very little surviving Ebionite teaching,
Foo, you have smoked yourself retarded or something. I was referring to Muslims here, not Ebionites. Go back and reread my post.
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What you seem to be referring to is Islamic teaching, not Ebionite teaching.
Hey maybe you have a brain after all,
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More opinion based on your ignorance.
You never tire of projection.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 4:12 pm to Kenna City Solja
Female or shemale?
Posted on 9/15/26 at 4:26 pm to crimsonsaint
Considering that Egypt has hundreds if not thousands of members of the Muslim Brotherhood in prison today then they might wanna start with those guys instead of trying to put to death some chick celebrity that sells drugs. Unless she has connections to the Brotherhood in some way then I might start with the dangerous people first. I’m sure most of the Egyptian Government sells drugs and worse. Truth be told they are probably just trying to eliminate competition.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 4:34 pm to FooManChoo
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Governments can decide which laws require the death penalty.
Sure.
Lots of them throughout history have imposed the death penalty for being a Christian. Some still do today.
It's all good in the neighborhood, tho'.
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I personally think we need more death penalty sentences for egregious crimes in our own country.
Sure. 'Cause the death penalty certainly dissuaded this particular person from comitting this crime.
This post was edited on 9/15/26 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 9/15/26 at 4:41 pm to Kenna City Solja
No need for her. Thanks anyway.
Next item on the docket?
Next item on the docket?
Posted on 9/15/26 at 5:08 pm to blueboy
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They hate whites but spend a fortune trying to look like them.
“They”? Clearly this woman is westernized. She doesn’t hate whites.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 5:30 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:Islam is certainly not a branch of Christianity. If anything, it would be a branch of Judaism, but in actuality, it's its own thing. The Qur'an acknowledges at least parts of both the Old and New Testaments while contradicting both with its own teachings. It's no more "Christian" than Mormonism is.
You’re confused. The fact is that Islam is a branch of Christianity. The probably part is that Islam probably was a branch of Ebionites Christianity, though it could have come from a similar sect that also believed Jesus was not divine and who kept kosher law.
quote:Every word of it.
You read this, did you Foo?
quote:I don't care what you personally believe, but you are stating untruths about the Bible. It seems you believe that it says something that it doesn't, whether you believe in the truthfulness of the Bible or not.
Foo, you out should know by now I don’t believe in prophecy. I was talking about Jesus referring to the Ebionites - the poor in spirit - the Jewish Christian sect that most likely gave rise to Islam in the Arabian peninsula.
There is no prophecy in Matthew 5 and the onus is on you to show otherwise. The text doesn't allow for it, because Jesus is speaking about moral principles and duties, not future events.
quote:You sure? You said, "the believed...", not "they believe..." Muslims are around today but, according to the historical record, it seems the Ebionites were gone a few hundred years before Islam took off.
Foo, you have smoked yourself retarded or something. I was referring to Muslims here, not Ebionites. Go back and reread my post.
quote:It's not projection. You keep using the word "fact" and then follow it up with your opinion, unsupported by facts.
You never tire of projection.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 5:35 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:Yes, and they are just as wrong for that as they are for promoting Islam. The promotion of Islam is actually worse than the taking of physical life. A person may die and spend eternity in peace with God in heaven, but being deceived into believing a lie and kept from the truth of the gospel ultimately leads to the destruction of the soul in hell forever. That's far worse than the death penalty, itself.
Lots of them throughout history have imposed the death penalty for being a Christian. Some still do today.
Just because I believe that governments have the prerogative to put criminals to death doesn't mean I agree with every possible law that may result in the death penalty.
quote:I don't believe that the death penalty should be used just for dissuading people from committing crimes. Many people are dissuaded from certain actions based on the threat of jail or death, but I see it being more about justice than crime prevention.
Sure. 'Cause the death penalty certainly dissuaded this particular person from comitting this crime.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 5:42 pm to Kenna City Solja
Why should I care???
Why should Trump do anything for her?
She's not an American citizen.
Why should Trump do anything for her?
She's not an American citizen.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 9:37 pm to FooManChoo
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Islam is certainly not a branch of Christianity.
:wrong:
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If anything, it would be a branch of Judaism, but in actuality, it's its own thing.
The historical record is that Islam arose in an area where Torah-observant Christianity was present. Like that version of Christianity, the first Muslims believed Jesus was God’s son, the most important prophet (besides Mohammed), and that Jesus was the messiah. The first Muslims with their new at the time Quran scripture claimed to be descendants of Abraham and a continuation and correction of the Christian faith which it acknowledges came from Judaism. Facts. You hate them.
quote:quote:Every word of it.
You read this, did you Foo?
The link you sent is written in Arabic. When did you learn Arabic?
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I don't care what you personally believe, but you are stating untruths about the Bible. It seems you believe that it says something that it doesn't,
Foo, Matthew 5 has the Jesus character saying blessed are the poor in spirit. Most people - atheist and Christian scholars alike - who believe Jesus was historical would tell you Jesus probably spoke Aramaic, not Greek. In Aramaic the poor would have been Ebionim, the namesake of the Ebionites. This is not contested by confessional Christian scholars but it’s contested by you apparently. I think it’s because you are a retarded obtuse dipshit.
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There is no prophecy in Matthew 5 and the onus is on you to show otherwise.
This is more obtuse nonsensical trolling.
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You sure? You said, "the believed...", not "they believe..." Muslims are around today but, according to the historical record, it seems the Ebionites were gone a few hundred years before Islam took off.
Yes Troll, I’m sure. It’s the Muslims who were devoted followers of Muhammad, not the Ebionites who kind of faded out before Muhammad would have existed, but you know that.
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It's not projection.
It’s one of your favorite fallacious assertions. You’re akin to a Democrat complaining of fraudulent mail in ballots.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 9:56 pm to Kenna City Solja
Most of the countries over there have these laws. They will most certainly execute you for drugs. Unless you are royalty on a yacht out somewhere with hookers and blow.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 10:01 pm to Kenna City Solja
I wonder if she will wear something really sexy for her execution.
Posted on 9/16/26 at 12:55 am to FooManChoo
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Just because I believe that governments have the prerogative to put criminals to death doesn't mean I agree with every possible law that may result in the death penalty.
Now, that's not what you said above. Nor is it what you've implied in these discussions before.
Your position has always been that governments have God-given authority to impose the death penalty (which means whether you personally agree with any given application of it is irrelevant, since you HAVEN'T been given a God given mandate like that), and the original statement you made that I replied to said, "Governments can decide which laws require the death penalty."
Well...can they or can't they? Do they have a Divine-granted mandate to make that decision—which we citizens are all mandated to respect, obey, and comply with—or not?
If they don't have the autonomy to freely decide, what is the criteria or limit within which they must apply it? And if they do not comply with whatever that limit or criteria is, does our mandate as citizens to obey and comply with the decision remain?
If it does, does that mean that someone in China who hides Christians instead of turning them over to the state for punishment is sinning?
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I see it being more about justice than crime prevention.
O.k., so if human-imposed punishment actually morally balances out the scales of justice, then a person who has committed an act for which he or she was punished by man is no longer guilty of that sin before God.
Right?
If that's not right—if it doesn't balance out the scales of justice and pay the moral debt of the person in question—then what's the purpose of this "justice?"
This post was edited on 9/16/26 at 8:52 am
Posted on 9/16/26 at 10:22 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:No, you're wrong. If Islam were a branch of Christianity, it would share it's core and essential elements. Islam rejects those things, like the Trinity, the two-natures of Christ and especially His divinity, and the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus for the forgiveness of sins. Islam rejects the core elements of Christianity.quote::wrong:
Islam is certainly not a branch of Christianity.
I know that believing Jesus actually existed is a stretch for you, but just because you struggle with something most atheist scholars agree with doesn't mean that you can redefine religions based on that element alone. You can't say that just because a religion officially recognizes the existence of a person named Jesus that it must be a branch of Christianity. That's intellectually lazy at best.
The fact of the matter is that Islam is a separate religion that was created by Mohammad, who lived in a region with a mixture of Jews, Christians, and pagans of many flavors, and the Qur'an reflects this.
quote:You need to look up what a fact is.
The historical record is that Islam arose in an area where Torah-observant Christianity was present. Like that version of Christianity, the first Muslims believed Jesus was God’s son, the most important prophet (besides Mohammed), and that Jesus was the messiah. The first Muslims with their new at the time Quran scripture claimed to be descendants of Abraham and a continuation and correction of the Christian faith which it acknowledges came from Judaism. Facts. You hate them.
Claim: "the first Muslims believed Jesus was God’s son"
Verdict: False - The Qur'an specifically teaches that Allah has no son, nor begets anyone. It specifically rejects Jesus being the Son of God.
Claim: "[Jesus is] the most important prophet (besides Mohammed)"
Verdict: False - Jesus is said to be very important and is one of the great prophets (Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad), but Abraham and Moses are also given the same sort of prominence in the Qur'an, though without some of the miracles attributed to Jesus. The Qur'an doesn't teach such a hierarchy as you are implying.
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The link you sent is written in Arabic. When did you learn Arabic?
You know translation tools exist, right?
quote:You are saying Matthew 5 is a prophecy because Jesus spoke Aramaic and the word "poor" is the root of the Ebionites?
Foo, Matthew 5 has the Jesus character saying blessed are the poor in spirit. Most people - atheist and Christian scholars alike - who believe Jesus was historical would tell you Jesus probably spoke Aramaic, not Greek. In Aramaic the poor would have been Ebionim, the namesake of the Ebionites. This is not contested by confessional Christian scholars but it’s contested by you apparently. I think it’s because you are a retarded obtuse dipshit
I'm not contesting the word's etymology. I'm contesting your false claim that Jesus intended it as a prophecy just because he used the word "poor".
This claim not only shows you don't know Christianity, but that you are absolutely dishonest and anti-intellectual. There is no way to defend your view here.
quote:It's not trolling. It's a fact based on the text, itself. There are no indicators from the text that he was speaking prophetically (meaning foretelling the future). It's not taught that way in Christianity because the text has no characteristics of prophecy. That's why I'm saying the onus is on you to prove otherwise, rather than just making a claim.quote:This is more obtuse nonsensical trolling.
There is no prophecy in Matthew 5 and the onus is on you to show otherwise.
If you still think this is nonsensical, I have to conclude you have no concept of what is sensical.
quote:I know that. My initial response was based on your writing. The grammar you used indicated you were talking about the Ebionites. I'm glad you corrected yourself for clarity.
Yes Troll, I’m sure. It’s the Muslims who were devoted followers of Muhammad, not the Ebionites who kind of faded out before Muhammad would have existed, but you know that.
quote:Prove it.
It’s one of your favorite fallacious assertions. You’re akin to a Democrat complaining of fraudulent mail in ballots.
You do not support your claims of projection. I go out of my way to explain how you are wrong, and you respond with what amounts to a basic "nuh uh". You are intellectually dishonest.
This post was edited on 9/16/26 at 11:52 am
Posted on 9/16/26 at 10:42 am to wackatimesthree
quote:You are confusing two different things. There is the right for governments to put criminals to death (a general statement of the rightfulness of the death penalty), and the rightfulness of particular instances of putting criminals to death. There is no contradiction in highlighting that difference.
Now, that's not what you said above. Nor is it what you've implied in these discussions before.
[quote]Your position has always been that governments have God-given authority to impose the death penalty (which means whether you personally agree with any given application of it is irrelevant, since you HAVEN'T been given a God given mandate like that), and the original statement you made that I replied to said, "Governments can decide which laws require the death penalty."
Well...can they or can't they? Do they have a Divine-granted mandate to make that decision—which we citizens are all mandated to respect, obey, and comply with—or not?
If they don't have the autonomy to freely decide, what is the criteria or limit within which they must apply it? And if they do not comply with whatever that limit or criteria is, does our mandate as citizens to obey and comply with the decision remain?
If it does, does that mean that someone in China who hides Christians instead of turning them over to the state for punishment is sinning?
A government has general authority to make its own laws and punishments, but all laws and punishments are ultimately subservient to God's law and authority, which is why it is possible for governments to act unjustly; they do not determine what is justice in a vacuum.
So in the example provided about killing Christians for being Christians, while a government has the authority from God to put criminals to death generally, it is actually an abuse of that authority to condemn what God commands, namely the practice of the Christian religion. Therefore, to outlaw Christianity is to misuse the authority God has provided, and therefore it would be unjust in God's sight for it to put Christians to death merely for being Christians.
So for your question about government autonomy, my position stands and has been consistent across threads: all governments are subject to Jesus Christ, who is King of kings and Lord of lords, and will have to answer to Him for how they governed. Government has no absolute autonomy, but should govern based on the principles God provides in His revelation, the Bible.
quote:No, that's not right. Human-imposed punishment doesn't morally balance out the scales of justice in God's eyes in every sense, because there is still moral guilt against God when someone sins that cannot be nullified by human justice. That's why Jesus died for sinners. If a murderer is put to death by the government, that death penalty doesn't absolve him of that sin of murder in God's court room. That murderer needs to repent of his murder and seek forgiveness by Jesus Christ by trusting that His death on the cross accomplished forgiveness for him.
O.k., so if human-imposed punishment actually morally balances out the scales of justice, then a person who has committed an act for which he or she was punished by man is no longer guilty of that sin before God.
Right?
If that's not right—if it doesn't balance out the scales of justice and pay the moral debt of the person in question—then what's the purpose of this "justice?"
What I'm talking about is human, temporal justice for the sake of promoting what is good for society and restraining evil in society by giving to people what they deserve in this life from a civil perspective.
Here is what the Westminster Confession of Faith says about it, which I agree with:
"God, the supreme Lord and King of all the world, hath ordained civil magistrates, to be, under Him, over the people, for His own glory, and the public good; and, to this end, hath armed them with the power of the sword, for the defense and encouragement of them that are good, and for the punishment of evildoers." (WCF 23.1)
Posted on 9/16/26 at 10:53 am to Kenna City Solja
When your desire to be drop dead gorgeous goes too far.
Posted on 9/16/26 at 12:10 pm to FooManChoo
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No, you're wrong. If Islam were a branch of Christianity, it would share it's core and essential elements. Islam rejects those things, like the Trinity, the two-natures of Christ and especially His divinity, and the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus for the forgiveness of sins. Islam rejects the core elements of Christianity.
You’re setting arbitrary qualifiers for what is considered Christianity. Islam is a branch of Christianity in the same sense Christianity is a branch of Judaism.
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You can't say that just because a religion officially recognizes the existence of a person named Jesus that it must be a branch of Christianity. That's intellectually lazy at best.
Am I am not saying that, you straw-man fallacy-generating piece of dog shite.
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Claim: "the first Muslims believed Jesus was God’s son" Verdict: False - The Qur'an specifically teaches that Allah has no son, nor begets anyone. It specifically rejects Jesus being the Son of God.
I’ve already stated the fact that Muslims believed Jesus was a regular guy, human, and not divine. The Quran specifically says Jesus was the Jewish messiah. You are my son, this day I have adopted you… which is what God says to his messiah.
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Claim: "[Jesus is] the most important prophet (besides Mohammed)" Verdict: False - Jesus is said to be very important and is one of the great prophets (Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad), but Abraham and Moses are also given the same sort of prominence in the Qur'an, though without some of the miracles attributed to Jesus. The Qur'an doesn't teach such a hierarchy as you are implying.
That’s just more of you being obtuse. You hate that Muslims consider Jesus one of the greatest of God’s prophets.
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You are saying Matthew 5 is a prophecy
No, bitch. Stop fricking straw manning me. I have already corrected you 5 times on this one matter in this one thread. You can’t help yourself but troll.
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I'm glad you corrected yourself for clarity.
I didn’t correct anything.
But I will correct my earlier statement and Jesus being the second most important prophet. How about this. Jesus was one of the 5 elite prophets in Islam, without rank, but was the second to last prophet before the final prophet. Point being Jesus is very fricking important to Muslims, a-hole.
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