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re: Is Trump afraid to release the UFO information he learned? (JFK files intertwined)

Posted on 8/20/24 at 11:48 pm to
Posted by 10thyrsr
Texas
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 8/20/24 at 11:48 pm to
It is humorous that people believe that God had powers beyond time and space yet somehow drop that belief when it comes to other beings (angels and demons possibly) He created. God sent his son into our world with full knowledge of what was to come. Time meant nothing to him because he knew the path.
This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 11:54 pm
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
8222 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 12:18 am to
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It is humorous that people believe that God had powers beyond time and space yet somehow drop that belief when it comes to other beings (angels and demons possibly)


Why is that "humorous?"

There is evidence that God is timeless, spaceless, eternal, non-physical, etc.

The prevailing scientific consensus is that the universe had a beginning and that at one point was compressed into a singularity, which means that space, time, and matter were infinitely compressed so as to—practically speaking—not exist.

That means that natural forces could not have caused the Big Bang. There was no change within the singularity, no space time, no way for natural forces to operate. So it had to be a supernatural force, and it had to be a personal being who chose of his own volition to cause the change. And because there was no matter, space, or time for him to exist in, he would have had to be timeless, eternal, spaceless, etc.

None of that is true of angels. And all the Biblical evidence points to angels being limited (unlike God) to being in one place at one time.

Clearly angels have the ability to supersede some physical constraints that we cannot. But space-time doesn't seem to be one of those physical constraints...not as far as I am aware, anyway.
Posted by 10thyrsr
Texas
Member since Oct 2020
716 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 12:43 am to
I'm not operating within scripture here. I'm saying that belief that there is an entity that operates outside of time and space should necessarily provide proof that other beings may also do so. This doesn't imply that they have the full power of God, but to acknowledge that that possibility exists yet state that that possibility is exclusive to one entity is ignorant. God may have granted that power to other beings if we want to stick with the religious framework.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
33244 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:01 am to
Do you really think that Trump or anyone else wants to run afoul of the the Reptilians and the Grays? He's not insane.

I myself welcome the authoritarianism of our overlords hiding in that mountain in New Mexico
Posted by BluegrassCardinal
Kentucky
Member since Nov 2022
1210 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:10 am to
The better answer is that JFK pissed off the CIA, and then the defense industry by wanting to downscale the intervention in Vietnam
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
9997 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:47 am to
If the public knew the truth, religious organizations would crash and that’s a huge risk to society.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:58 am to
Not necessarily to you, TP, but can someone proffer a scenario wherein the truth being told re Aliens living amongst us, or even being the source and cultivator of Humanity on this planet would be so calamitous to our fragile psyches that we would just fold en masse?

Truth is truth. What is, is. When I assess the job that Humans are doing re a 'leadership' that supposedly knows the truth re Aliens, but still seems impotent to address the real threats that WE pose to OURSELVES, then it might be time to air our dirty laundry and - assuming these massively more knowledgeable and powerful Creatures exist - ask them to help us, in the name of Universal Love, reverence for life and as good stewards, respect for those forms of life that are in the evolutionary process of becoming better universal citizens. As most of Humanity certainly is.

Damn. Something is fishy. And I'm thinking 'Evil' is a factor (assuming such exists, as I do). I think that 'They' may be engaged in "war in Heaven" 'up there', and are at some sort of spiritual/philosophical/universal law stalemate, and we should make our case. That seems to be preferable to the Fermi Paradox collision ahead.
Posted by leeman101
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2020
2119 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:20 am to
Being afraid to say something the current president and former ones are reasons why say Obama only speaks what is on the teleprompter and W would speak so slow I could watch the words come out. They have all these filters when speaking. Joe will not take questions.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
8222 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:23 am to
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This doesn't imply that they have the full power of God, but to acknowledge that that possibility exists yet state that that possibility is exclusive to one entity is ignorant.


Actually, it's much more ignorant IMO, and also simply bad logic, to reason that just because God— which the universal definition of whom is that He is unique in His physical attributes—has a characteristic, it is possible for any created being to also have that characteristic.

quote:

God may have granted that power to other beings if we want to stick with the religious framework.


But again, it wouldn't make logical sense in this case, would it? Even if you ignore the only evidence we have (the Scriptures, which incidentally is an odd thing to ignore in this context, but whatever), it doesn't logically follow.

Because to grant a created being those attributes would be to make them also timeless and eternal. Which would be impossible, number one, since they are created beings, which by definition exist within space-time, but also would make them basically God.

Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
8222 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:25 am to
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If the public knew the truth, religious organizations would crash


And what is "the truth?"

I'll bet that given what you're likely to answer to that question, religious organizations wouldn't crash at all.
Posted by auwaterfowler
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
2700 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 9:21 am to
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Apparently JFK got taken out because he got too close to the truth about UFOs.


I am completely open-minded about extraterrestrial or ultra terrestrial intelligence, but UFOs had nothing to do with JFK’s assassination. His desire to disband the CIA is what got him killed.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
32421 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 9:23 am to
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The distance between our planet any any other possible occupied planet is so incredibly vast that we will never encounter other intelligent life.

Hubris, much? This is a really big, old universe and mankind as a whole (even earth) are fledgelings within it.

To think that a civilization millions- or billions- of years more advanced than our own wouldn't be advanced beyond the reaches of our imaginations, is laughable.

You're basing your statement on life and technology "as we know it". Any species of advanced, intelligent life with millions/billions of years worth of evolution/development ahead of man, could easily be capable of feats of science man can only dream about (wormhole/quantum physics, manipulation of time/space, harnessing dark matter/energy).

Statements about "low likelihood" are almost laughable. There's a statistical improbability that somewhere out there, there is not a species of life that is advanced beyond our imagination. The most intelligent of "us" may juxtapose as a braindead ant when compared even to the dullest of "them".

Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
37360 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 10:04 am to
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But again, it wouldn't make logical sense in this case, would it? Even if you ignore the only evidence we have (the Scriptures, which incidentally is an odd thing to ignore in this context, but whatever), it doesn't logically follow.

Because to grant a created being those attributes would be to make them also timeless and eternal. Which would be impossible, number one, since they are created beings, which by definition exist within space-time, but also would make them basically God.


Edit to respond: To the degree that any relatively independent Being/Self Aware Entity (Soul) becomes God, the relative independence and essential character of said Being...is transforms and ceases to exist. In effect, becoming God is dying. Jesus said that "he that seeks to save thier self, will lose their self...".

The fact that certain, far advanced Entities might choose to become as God in service to their own narcissistic impulse as opposed to Love, simply means that said narcissistic Entities will like moths to the flame, follow their selfish, base instincts into what they believe will be unlimited power, but only to be willingly absorbed into the Singularity. That is a fool's errand. "I will take the wise in their own craftiness". "No man cometh up by any other way, than by me" (Jesus, as 1/3 of the Godhead with duly appointed authority via "The Word"/Universal Spiritual Law).

It does not matter how powerful an Entity is, what matters as to their future quality of life existence, is the degree to which they worship and serve the idea of Love. Love being what God (Scripturally) defines Itself as. And of the which Jesus backs up as a qualifier for "eternal life".

I do think that today's Religions would fall apart, and many if not most would reject the authority or supposed altruism (think Love) of any Entity or Species that would expose themselves as having sewed the evolutionary seeds of life on this Earth, and overseen the growth for the duration. If they show me Love, I'll show them respect, but withhold reverence and worship other than to the Truth they might bring/share. For as Jesus wisely stated, "there is none good, but God". Even Jesus recognized the Source as the only purity that any and all that spring from that Fount will ever witness.

Like Bob Dylan sang..."everybody's gotta serve somebody". Very powerful Aliens as well. To the degree that they know Truth but deny Love...they to to 'hell' and cease to exist.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 10:24 am
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
15872 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 10:59 am to
quote:

There is evidence that God is timeless, spaceless, eternal, non-physical, etc.

The prevailing scientific consensus is that the universe had a beginning and that at one point was compressed into a singularity, which means that space, time, and matter were infinitely compressed so as to—practically speaking—not exist.

That means that natural forces could not have caused the Big Bang. There was no change within the singularity, no space time, no way for natural forces to operate. So it had to be a supernatural force, and it had to be a personal being who chose of his own volition to cause the change. And because there was no matter, space, or time for him to exist in, he would have had to be timeless, eternal, spaceless, etc.

None of that is true of angels. And all the Biblical evidence points to angels being limited (unlike God) to being in one place at one time.

Clearly angels have the ability to supersede some physical constraints that we cannot. But space-time doesn't seem to be one of those physical constraints...not as far as I am aware, anyway.


Reminds me of a joke a youth pastor told me years ago.

A group of scientists and geniticists go to God and tell him that they have unlocked all the secrets of creation. That they appreciate all He did but they could handle if from now on.

God smiles and says OK lets have one last test. With that God reaches down into the earth and grabs a handfull of dirt, then tosses in into the air and a new creature is formed. A creature unlike any other on Earth.

The scientists laugh and one of them reaches down to grab some soil and God says STOP!! get your own dirt.



My 2 thoughts on creation/evolution/big bang would be first if there was nothing then where did something come from to form the Big Bang. And second I believe the Big Bang was when God created light. And it was good.

Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
36399 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 11:01 am to
Massive distraction.

Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
37360 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 11:44 am to
Posted by ELVIS U
Member since Feb 2007
10957 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 11:53 am to
How can you release something you don't possess?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59691 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 12:37 pm to
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Whatever it is is “here“ “in close proximity to us, just imperceptible to us


Then who cares other than for entertainment purposes.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11310 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 10:01 pm to
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Apparently JFK got taken out because he got too close to the truth about UFOs.


Very interesting “alternative history“ narrative about UAP. In reality, we may be living in the alternative history while the real history has been hifdden from us by a shadow government.

Summary:

Operation Palladium was a covert project that was trying to spoof Russian radar and sensor systems

Khrushchev pressed JFK on the matter. JFK was not aware of program. JFK became aware that CIA was running programs beyond oversight (ties into Bay of Pigs)

Lee Harvey Oswald was a radar operator who may have been read into Operation Palladium. They link Oswald to the shooting down of a U2 spy plane due to info that Oswald fed to Russia.

The Cuban missile crisis may have been precipitated as Khrushchev was trying to respond to the spoofing measures that would limit Russia’s ability to respond timely.

UAP were observed and recovered during testing of ICBMs and exotic tech.

JFK was likely assassinated for trying to dig deeper into all this (UAP and CiA operating rogue). The speculation is that JFK records are not being released as all of this is intertwined.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4VHdP_DdAUs

quote:

Ross Coulthart asks: Did JFK know about UFOs? | Reality Check NewsNation 6.9K Likes 240,293 Views Aug 14 2024 #JFK

Ross Coulthart sits down with former Australian intelligence official Geoff Cruickshank to dive deep into what JFK may have known about UFO reports, Operation Palladium, the declassified Majestic 12 documents and whether there could be connections to JFK’s assassination.


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Check out the timing of the memo and his assassination…




Article below is from 2012 (prior to 2017 broader “acceptance” of UAP and well before Q)

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna42704241

quote:

Is that JFK memo to the CIA about UFOs real?
April 21, 2011, 12:01 PM CDT / Source: Space.com
By By Natalie Wolchover




quote:

A story that combines UFO cover-ups with the assassination of John F. Kennedy is a gold mine for conspiracy theorists. And that's just what author William Lester says he uncovered while conducting research for a new book on Kennedy: a memo written by JFK and addressed to the CIA in which the president requests confidential information about UFOs. In the never-before-seen, top secret memo supposedly written on Nov. 12, 1963, the president ordered the CIA director to organize the agency's intelligence files relating to UFOs, and to debrief him on all "unknowns" by the following February. Ten days later, Kennedy was assassinated.


quote:

Alternatively, even if the burned memo is fake but the newly surfaced memo is real, there are several perfectly logical reasons why Kennedy might have written it. Lester believes the president was interested in UFO intelligence for three reasons.

First, Lester said, Kennedy was concerned that UFOs seen by the Soviets would be misinterpreted by them as being U.S. aircraft behaving provocatively. This may be what Kennedy implied when he (allegedly) wrote, "It is important that we make a distinction between known and unknowns in the event the Soviets try to mistake our extended cooperation as a cover for intelligence gathering of their defense or space programs."

The second reason for Kennedy's inquiry could have been his obvious interest in space travel; at the time of his (alleged) writing, NASA was a new agency, Lester explained, and "the whole question of outer space and life in outer space was at the forefront of everybody's thinking."

Third, there was a natural concern about UFOs at the time due to a spurt of incidents thought to be sightings. In the 1960s, nearly everyone was interested in UFOs — JFK, NASA, the CIA and citizens alike.


What is really on the moon???
Who really runs our modern construct???
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11310 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 10:10 pm to
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Wrong, the biggest threat and political issue to this country is the un-elected cia/fbi running it. They must be closed down.


This construct (3 letter agency running a shadow government) and UAP are intimately intertwined.

The national security state was literally precipitated immediately following the events in Roswell (June/July 1947)

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