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re: Is there even a definition of "conservative" anymore? When did you start promoting it?
Posted on 5/12/21 at 3:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/12/21 at 3:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
"i think political bias permits you to see as many/few as you wish, depending on whether you want to praise/criticize him"
Perhaps, but I doubt that this would be true with me because I don't even like Trump. However, I my focus is more on labor and environmental/land use regulations, where his administration cut regulation significantly. I suspect it is more likely to be true that his administration added more regs in areas I am not as aware of.
For what it's worth:
LINK
But to your point:
Forbes says Tump has both added and cut regs
Perhaps, but I doubt that this would be true with me because I don't even like Trump. However, I my focus is more on labor and environmental/land use regulations, where his administration cut regulation significantly. I suspect it is more likely to be true that his administration added more regs in areas I am not as aware of.
For what it's worth:
LINK
But to your point:
Forbes says Tump has both added and cut regs
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Posted on 5/12/21 at 4:27 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:
House: Gingrich
Gingrich was instrumental in passing NAFTA
Posted on 5/12/21 at 4:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Bingo!
Gingrich was instrumental in passing NAFTA
Posted on 5/12/21 at 4:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
2016 just called it wants it's "Drumpf is not conservative" debate back.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 5:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Why are you trying to turn a discussion about the definition of "conservatism" and related words into a discussion about my political beliefs? Why is your brain wired to require my beliefs to discuss?
You claim Trump isn't conservative.
I am saying on the issue of globalism Trump was conservative.
You like GWB, he wasn't a conservative because he loves globalism.
Globalism is more than foreign aid, propping up other countries with our military on the American taxpayer dime is also globalism.
The Green New Deal is globalism.
You are criticizing Trump for not being conservative when in fact you aren't either.
Just look at the names you listed.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 5:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Whats your definition of globalism?
Giving American taxpayer money to foreign countries.
Having our military in foreign countries spending their American taxpayer funded paycheck in the shitholes instead of our country.
The Green New DEal.
NATO
Tariffs aren't conservative unless they are retaliatory tariffs, those are awesome and conservative.
Looking out for your country is what a president should do.
What does it say about past presidents that allowed this to happen?
Don't tax our shite and we won't tax your shite.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 5:43 pm to 93and99
quote:
You like GWB,
wut
quote:
You are criticizing Trump for not being conservative when in fact you aren't either.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 5:47 pm to 93and99
quote:
What does it say about past presidents that allowed this to happen?
allowed what, specifically to happen?
are you talking about the expansion of free trade that has allowed the world (America, most of all) to reach levels of living and comfort never before seen in human history?
are you talking about Pax Americana that has, effectively, ended international war? there just aren't major international wars that aren't proxy wars or civil wars anymore.
quote:
Having our military in foreign countries spending their American taxpayer funded paycheck in the shitholes instead of our country.
I don't agree with this on the scale we're doing it, but this is more America First than "globalism". that's why we're seen as an evil empire oppressing the world and not a patsy weakling. we are projecting America across the globe for our own interests, not "globalism"
Posted on 5/12/21 at 5:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
I don't agree with this on the scale we're doing it, but this is more America First than "globalism". that's why we're seen as an evil empire oppressing the world and not a patsy weakling. we are projecting America across the globe for our own interests, not "globalism"
I mean, ensuring trade continues uninterrupted and that trade continues in the US dollar has increased the average wealth of Americans by a significant amount, I would wager. It is certainly America First to ensure the continued domination of trade, and is a major reason why we are involved literally everywhere.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 5:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Gingrich was instrumental in passing NAFTA
Prior to 1995 there wasn't Republican leadership in the House.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 6:10 pm to crazy4lsu
100%
But we are "losing" on trade
But we are "losing" on trade
Posted on 5/12/21 at 6:22 pm to Seldom Seen
quote:
2016 just called it wants it's "Drumpf is not conservative" debate back.
Trump is conservative in some areas, Trump isn't conservative in other areas. That hasn't changed in 9 pages and it won't change if it goes 9 more. He just wants to pick and choose which of those areas count so he can try to throw rocks at conservatives who voted for Trump.
But the thread did give us the claim that GWB was a conservative, so it hasn't been a total loss.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 6:23 pm to Flats
Ask 100 people if Bush was conservative and you'd get probably at least 90 agreeing.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 6:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
No such thing as conservatives just like there is no such thing as a libertarian
Posted on 5/12/21 at 6:28 pm to SDVTiger
That's fine. I won't argue with that. I haven't used labels to describe me in a bit because libertarians are so bad about purity arguments.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 6:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
A large number Trumpists didn’t start really paying attention anyway until the Trump frenzy and worship started happening.
It’s evidenced locally when big Trumpists try to comment about Louisiana politics, and show they don’t have a clue. It’s just all MAGA all the time, because that’s cool.
Many think the only reason there’s a Democrat Governor in Louisiana is because Dominion changed ballots. Completely ignorant.
It’s evidenced locally when big Trumpists try to comment about Louisiana politics, and show they don’t have a clue. It’s just all MAGA all the time, because that’s cool.
Many think the only reason there’s a Democrat Governor in Louisiana is because Dominion changed ballots. Completely ignorant.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 6:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
If you're only fiscally conservative, you're a moderate.
To be a conservative means socially and fiscally conservative.
There are few of us left.
To be a conservative means socially and fiscally conservative.
There are few of us left.
This post was edited on 5/12/21 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 5/12/21 at 6:44 pm to Dawgwithnoname
What about being socially conservative and fiscally liberal?
Posted on 5/12/21 at 6:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Ask 100 people if Bush was conservative and you'd get probably at least 90 agreeing.
Bush gave us:
No Child Left Behind
Medicare Part D
Patriot Act
Was he really a SFP conservative?
Posted on 5/12/21 at 6:52 pm to the808bass
From 1990-2008 he was definitely a "conservative" by a majority of GOp voters bass
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