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Posted on 5/12/21 at 7:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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think I've made this thread before, but I'm pretty sure that it was before Trump lost the election and certainly before January 6.
Heaven forbid you do a search for your own topic
Posted on 5/12/21 at 7:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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allowed what, specifically to happen?
American made products being taxed by foreign countries while we don't tax their products coming here.
It's like they didn't give a shite about the American worker.
That along with NAFTA nearly destroyed manufacturing in this country.
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I don't agree with this on the scale we're doing it, but this is more America First than "globalism". that's why we're seen as an evil empire oppressing the world and not a patsy weakling. we are projecting America across the globe for our own interests, not "globalism"
It's all about money.
Stop spending American taxpayer money in foreign countries and I will stop saying Republicans are globalists just like Democrats are.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 7:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
Conservativism is not zero regulation. Never has been.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 7:59 pm to 93and99
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Stop spending American taxpayer money in foreign countries and I will stop saying Republicans are globalists just like Democrats are.
I guess we have a retard on the board that likes globalism.
Gutless coward.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 8:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Again, free trade only became non-conservative in 2015 or so
Wrong.
Free trade does not define conservativism.
The truth is putting America First is an eb and flow. You don't do business with a company trying to take over your company and run you out of business.
Your knock on tariffs is laughable. Always has been and Teump did a great job educating you on that.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 9:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Ask 100 people if Bush was conservative and you'd get probably at least 90 agreeing.
Ask 100 people about Trump. You've spent 9 pages saying opinions don't matter because words mean things, now all of a sudden they're definitive.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 7:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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Are tariffs not (economic) regulations?
more like a tax on foreign companies' goods, and only if they want to sell them here
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Did Trump not attempt major immigration regulations early on on his administration?
regulations on foreign nationals
Posted on 5/13/21 at 8:10 am to TideCPA
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A conservative in 2000 favored an enormous military and a huge government, since those were traditional features of government for half a century.
I was wide awake in 2000. Conservatives were not in favor of "huge government" at all. The Bush campaign pounded home the message of tax cuts, limited spending, and small government - and they wouldn't have done that if the conservative base didn't want it.
If you doubt me, go back and watch some Bush 2000 campaign ads
Yes, the Patriot Act flew in the face of this campaign messaging, but it was packaged as giving our people the tools they needed to fight the jihadists. The conservative base trusted Bush and Cheney when they said they needed it to save American lives.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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Ask 100 people if Bush was conservative and you'd get probably at least 90 agreeing.
If it were a dumb game show and it was a true/false, then sure.. but keen observers would call him diet conservative or moderate conservative.
The tax cuts were from the conservative playbook; this, not so much:
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:17 am to RidiculousHype
quote:Can you point out the "conservative" administrations in this chart?
I was wide awake in 2000. Conservatives were not in favor of "huge government" at all. The Bush campaign pounded home the message of tax cuts, limited spending, and small government - and they wouldn't have done that if the conservative base didn't want it.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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Is there even a definition of "conservative" anymore?
noun
1. a person who is averse to change and holds traditional values.
2. a person favoring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas.
Was Trump a total embodiment of the above? Of course not. Anyone who watched the 2016 GOP primary debates understood this.
Now, was Trump a major but imperfect weapon against people who obsessively fight against the above? Yes.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 10:04 am to TideCPA
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Can you point out the "conservative" administrations in this chart?
Obviously the fiscal decisions of the GWB administration, together with Congress, did not align with what the conservative base wanted.
W saw his dad's fiscal discipline not get rewarded by the voters in 1992, and decided what's the point?
But he took the wrong lesson from 1992. That election was more about the recession, Clinton's charm, and Ross Perot than anything else.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 10:16 am to TrueTiger
Most people with any sort of political knowledge realize Trump was a bluedog Democrat with his actions.
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